tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post2798220571537497679..comments2024-03-05T11:44:26.154-08:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: The final week of Jesus' life, a chronologyFather Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-49744143062878413552013-03-23T05:25:21.421-07:002013-03-23T05:25:21.421-07:00The Reverend Kenneth L. Smith Sr.
Thank you for yo...The Reverend Kenneth L. Smith Sr.<br />Thank you for your thoroughness in this subject. God Bless and Keep You!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-79954376045170108812012-04-03T09:13:52.150-07:002012-04-03T09:13:52.150-07:00@Frans,
I am not surprised to hear that Pope Bened...@Frans,<br />I am not surprised to hear that Pope Benedict would present a different chronology ... he is far more influenced by modern historical-critical protestants, than by the Fathers of the Church and the Catholic exegetes of the scholastic and counter-reformation periods.<br /><br />The question is ... do the past 200 years of "scholarship" (produced largely by heretics) outweigh 1500 years of Catholic exegesis? +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-39119523077854925502012-04-03T04:44:20.777-07:002012-04-03T04:44:20.777-07:00To those of you who can read Italian (or use some ...To those of you who can read Italian (or use some translators, if necessary), I suggest you read a very good study on the "Qumran calendar" hypothesis by later Alberto Giglioli, Bishop of Montepulciano-Chiusi-Pienza. He studies the matter from three points of view: <br />1) The traditions of the Jews regarding trial procedures;<br />2) The harmonization of the four Gospel narratives, including the proper reading of the crucifixion of Christ in the Gospel of John according to different manuscript traditions;<br />3) The earliest witness of Patristic Tradition in support of either chronology.<br /><br />You can find this text in two parts for free on the Internet:<br />www.shroud.it/GIGLIO1.PDF<br />www.shroud.it/GIGLIO2.PDF<br /><br />Hope this helps to study the matter in depth.Alessandronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-82211476676446556842012-04-02T20:25:09.951-07:002012-04-02T20:25:09.951-07:00Dear Father,
I am presently reading Jesus of Nazar...Dear Father,<br />I am presently reading Jesus of Nazareth by our Holy Father, Jesus of Nazareth II. He also deals with the topic at hand. He seems to believe in a different chronology of those events. Below, I took the liberty of pasting a link of that section pertaining to those chronologies.<br />https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Roh3o4KN9w31RLWPj-LdtAMYh7hGnp8xU0mydv_TDXk/edit<br />God bless,<br />FransFranshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02415995601502226051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-965699545564406662012-04-02T11:04:11.233-07:002012-04-02T11:04:11.233-07:00@Charlene, Thank you for pointing that out ... and...@Charlene, Thank you for pointing that out ... and keeping me from looking too much the "fool"! :-)Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-12942945616066102722012-04-02T11:02:49.475-07:002012-04-02T11:02:49.475-07:00@TeaPot ... I will cover more on this in a post mi...@TeaPot ... I will cover more on this in a post mid-week.<br />You are quite right to point out the confusing Good Friday timeline! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-2017095490075411292012-04-02T06:39:56.499-07:002012-04-02T06:39:56.499-07:00Palm Sunday: foal not foul - just a typoPalm Sunday: foal not foul - just a typoCharlenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-24369047518708037282012-04-02T04:41:50.941-07:002012-04-02T04:41:50.941-07:00Thank you very much for this informative article.Thank you very much for this informative article.Aikkarakanayil Augustine Jose, INDIAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-58588090421373423092012-04-01T17:44:48.268-07:002012-04-01T17:44:48.268-07:00Mark's gospel has Jesus being crucified (maybe...Mark's gospel has Jesus being crucified (maybe led out to Crucifixion?) at mid-morning (9a.m.?) and the sky becoming dark at noon, with Jesus dying about 3 p.m. In that narrative He may have been dying on the cross for closer to five hours than three. OTOH, Luke has Pilate sending Jesus to Herod after learning that He is a Galilean. The Sanhedrin condemned Him to death at daybreak, and had to seek audience with Pilate after that. Many events have to fit into the morning of Good Friday: Sanhedrin condemning, first meeting with Pilate, visit to Herod, second meeting with Pilate, scourging, crowning with thorns, mocking, Via Dolorosa, and crucifixion.<br />TeaPot562Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-57795217219763846662012-04-01T09:40:14.041-07:002012-04-01T09:40:14.041-07:00Dear Father,
Thank you very much, this timeline ...Dear Father, <br /><br />Thank you very much, this timeline is so helpful: it is the kind of device that helps us laymen to organize our thoughts as we set to pray and meditate on the mysteries of the life of Christ, esp the days leading up to His Passion. Maybe I was just a bad student, (or maybe my memory's going) but I can't ever remember such a clear and well-documented chronology being taught. God bless you, Father.Michelangelonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-22333267527668285382012-04-01T02:52:21.729-07:002012-04-01T02:52:21.729-07:00Yet the discrepancy favors John as saying that Jes...Yet the discrepancy favors John as saying that Jesus died on the first day of Azymes - otherwise the entire logic of showing Christ as the new Lamb would be lacking.<br /><br />Sincerely, I can come to two (and only two) possible harmonizations. <br /><br />1) Jesus' trial lasted more then expected. If the Jews really wanted to kill him before Passover, while did they delay the arrest for two days after Christ's last discourse in the Temple (Holy Monday)? There are some good texts that show that the one of the Synoptics portrays two discourses early in the morning as if they were two distinct mornings. I'm sorry I can't recollect exactly the quotes - If I find them, I will post them as soon as possible. What may confirm this possibility is the fact that the early churches practiced abstinence on Wednesdays and Fridays alike.<br /><br />2) There's also the possibility that the Jews had it wrong in computing the Passover. At the time, the beginning of the month was marked by eyesight of the new moon. But in case of bad weather conditions, direct observation of the moon phases may have been delayed even by one whole day. So, if Jesus as Creator had calculated the right date while the Jews had observed the new moon one day later due to bad weather conditions, we should look for a year when Passover may fall on Tuesday rather then Friday. Jesus celebrated correctly according to the moon phases, while the Jews celebrated on day later, since they couldn't observe the new moon in time to begin Nisan on the right day.<br /><br />On both occasions, the validity of Christ's Last Supper as a Passover meal is saved, as well as the truth that the priests were sacrificing the lambs on Friday morning (1st day of Azymes). <br /><br />What really matters is that we must defend the accuracy of the Gospels... this is fundamental for Catholics in the present day.Alessandronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-39510091139593377542012-03-31T11:07:45.360-07:002012-03-31T11:07:45.360-07:00I have switched to embedded comments, since some s...I have switched to embedded comments, since some said that this will make it easier to "subscribe by email."Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-73403931456732851822012-03-31T11:05:16.143-07:002012-03-31T11:05:16.143-07:00@Marko,
I have never been convinced by all this bu...@Marko,<br />I have never been convinced by all this business of the "Essenes" influencing Jesus and the Apostles ... even though I know that Pope Benedict XVI once mentioned it in a homily.<br />There are just so many dramatic theological differences ... after all the Essene way was focused extensively on ritual purity -- radically contrary to both John the Baptist and our Savior.<br />And there is much more to be said besides.<br /><br />Probably the better way to explain it is that the "solemn Sabbath" to which St. John refers (and which some mistakenly interpret as Passover) is the Sabbath within the octave of Passover (which was on Thursday/Friday). <br /><br />Like you, I have a hard time taking the modern critical exegetes seriously ... they, after all, don't take the 1800 previous years of biblical scholarship seriously. +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-10040877596553624522012-03-31T02:20:54.199-07:002012-03-31T02:20:54.199-07:00In regards to the actual days of the Holy Week i t...In regards to the actual days of the Holy Week i totally agree with the Tradition. But i must let you know that there are some modern biblical "scholars" who propose that the events of the Paschal Triduum didn't occur on that exact days. Some of them propose tuesday or wednesday for the Last Supper, thursday for His Crucifixion and so on...but if this data is true why would all branches of Christianity that have ancient roots of their Holy Week solemnities choose the traditional days?(the scholars cite as their argument, the difference between Esene and regular calendar, and they say that Jesus had the Passover in the Esene enviorment/neighbourhood) Those scholars must think of Apostles like they are somewhat less mentally capable if they aren't able to comemorate the events in their exact order. I mean - those events struck the Apostles pretty hard and the must have known the exact time and place of every event and they must have comemorated them in the same setting the next year, and the next year and so on...<br /><br />Also...We all know that the Last Supper took place on Holy Thursday. But if it was evening, according to Jewish understanding of time it was already Friday. We can relate the words on the Cross: "It is finished.", with that fact that the "real thing" started early on Friday(i.e. Thursday evening according to our time measuring) and that it was finished in the late hours of Friday(6th hour) - is this reasoning correct.<br /><br />One thing more. Just to remind you that there is a question of mine in "Ask Father Ryan" section. :)<br /><br />Ave MariaMarko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.com