tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post2910566316245326864..comments2024-03-25T17:14:03.066-07:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: Who saw Christ rising from the dead?Father Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-73961431997781504992016-06-30T18:27:43.813-07:002016-06-30T18:27:43.813-07:00Gary,
Your comment shows that you don't really...Gary,<br />Your comment shows that you don't really understand anything of the traditional Christian beliefs regarding the authorship of the Gospels. You state that most Christians assume that "eyewitness wrote the Gospels"... um, no. Actually, we don't assume that. In fact, we have always maintained that St Mark and St Luke were not eyewitnesses to the events they record. <br /><br />As to the rest of your comment, it smacks of that bigotry which presumes that what heretics thought up in the past 100 years is automatically better that what the saints preached for 2,000 years, simply because the recent heretics happen to live closer that that golden age of your own existence.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-28975632020642058052016-06-27T14:55:00.401-07:002016-06-27T14:55:00.401-07:00Two of the biggest assumptions that many Christian...Two of the biggest assumptions that many Christians make regarding the truth claims of Christianity is that, one, eyewitnesses wrote the four gospels. The problem is, however, that the majority of scholars today do not believe this is true. The second big assumption many Christians make is that it would have been impossible for whoever wrote these four books to have invented details in their books, especially in regards to the Empty Tomb and the Resurrection appearances, due to the fact that eyewitnesses to these events would have still been alive when the gospels were written and distributed.<br /><br /> But consider this, dear Reader: Most scholars date the writing of the first gospel, Mark, as circa 70 AD. Who of the eyewitnesses to the death of Jesus and the alleged events after his death were still alive in 70 AD? That is four decades after Jesus' death. During that time period, tens of thousands of people living in Palestine were killed in the Jewish-Roman wars of the mid and late 60's, culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem.<br /><br /> How do we know that any eyewitness to the death of Jesus in circa 30 AD was still alive when the first gospel was written and distributed in circa 70 AD? How do we know that any eyewitness to the death of Jesus ever had the opportunity to read the Gospel of Mark and proof read it for accuracy? <br /><br />I challenge Christians to list the name of even ONE eyewitness to the death of Jesus who was still alive in 70 AD along with the evidence to support your claim.<br /><br /> If you can't list any names, dear Christian, how can you be sure that details such as the Empty Tomb, the detailed resurrection appearances, and the Ascension ever really occurred? How can you be sure that these details were not simply theological hyperbole...or...the exaggerations and embellishments of superstitious, first century, mostly uneducated people, who had retold these stories thousands of times, between thousands of people, from one language to another, from one country to another, over a period of many decades? Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-24940906612487822282011-05-02T16:23:25.176-07:002011-05-02T16:23:25.176-07:00I have just posted a consideration of the possibil...I have just posted a consideration of the possibility of a prior apparition to the Mother of God, "Did Jesus appear first to his Mother after the Resurrection?" (May 2, 2011)<br />http://newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2011/05/did-jesus-appear-first-to-his-mother.htmlFather Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-59160476080062616542011-05-02T14:55:50.538-07:002011-05-02T14:55:50.538-07:00I am not Spartacus,
In fact, I am working on a res...I am not Spartacus,<br />In fact, I am working on a response right now! <br />I will note, however, that the common reference to St. Ambrose is likely spurious ... the text and context is not at all clear -- it seems that the Bishop refers to Mary Magdalene rather than to the Mother of God (and this is admitted even by the "defendingthebride" website) ... "St. Ambrose is often, though wrongly, cited (De virginit., 3; ML, XVI, 270); in this passage he is not speaking of the Blessed Virgin, but of that one of the two Mary Magdalenes who, in his theory, was a virgin." (footnote 11, http://www.defendingthebride.com/pp/tomb/mark.html)Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-1737887704568749832011-05-02T14:12:17.445-07:002011-05-02T14:12:17.445-07:00Defending the Bride cites six Doctors of the Churc...Defending the Bride cites six Doctors of the Church as holding that Jesus first appeared to Mary<br /><br />http://www.defendingthebride.com/pp/tomb/<br /><br />And here is CUF<br /><br />http://www.cuf.org/Laywitness/Online_view.asp?lwID=1231<br /><br />I'm looking forward to your piece on this issueMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-21922718874641224542011-05-01T09:01:30.748-07:002011-05-01T09:01:30.748-07:00From an Ancient German Missal (cited by Dom Guera...From an Ancient German Missal (cited by Dom Gueranger, Saturday in Easter Week),<br /><br />"Give praise, O Mother, to thy risen Jesus, who reigns triumphant over the price of death. Cease they mourning; for Jesus, the fruit of womb, is restored to life, and visits thee...."<br /><br />Dom Gueranger, Thursday in Easter Week, "After Mary - in whom the light of faith never waned, and to whom, as the sinless Mother was due the first manifestation - who were the first to be illumined with that faith whereby the Church lives? Magdalen and her companions..."Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-14666949024279277572011-04-29T08:50:08.707-07:002011-04-29T08:50:08.707-07:00More coming on the topic of the apparition of our ...More coming on the topic of the apparition of our Lord to his Mother ... but here is what the Catechism says about the FIRST appearance: "Mary Magdalene and the holy women ... were the first to encounter the Risen One." (CCC 641)<br /><br />There is indeed much to consider!Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-43749680085164409042011-04-27T15:36:32.825-07:002011-04-27T15:36:32.825-07:00Dear Father. You are kind and generous Thank-you. ...Dear Father. You are kind and generous Thank-you. I can't remember who directed me to this Blog but I am glad they did.<br /><br />For your readers who have not read Dom Gueranger's , "The Liturgical Year," (TLY) they do not know what they are missing. <br /><br />He is so alive to me and TLY is an absolute joy to read and it is a Treasure Chest over-flowing with beauty, sanctity, authentic ecclesiastical history, and rock-solid exegesis.<br /><br />And the hymns and selections from Ancient Missals he selects. Wow.<br /><br />Thanks to him, I begin every day of this Paschal Time by praying "Aurora coelum purpurat..." from the Office of Lauds.<br /><br />Hearing "hell howl with fear rage..." is early morning music that ought be heard by every set of ears on every single Church Militant. That, and not Good Morning America or "All Things Considered" is the way to begin a day.<br /><br />Pax tecum, FatherMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-42018538831926325142011-04-27T12:02:15.569-07:002011-04-27T12:02:15.569-07:00I sometimes wonder if Our Lord had His Mother in m...I sometimes wonder if Our Lord had His Mother in mind when he said to St Thomas, "...blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed."Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-83930562898364514972011-04-27T09:14:36.777-07:002011-04-27T09:14:36.777-07:00@I am not Spartacus,
No need to apologize ... I ho...@I am not Spartacus,<br />No need to apologize ... I hope my own response was not too strong! Like you, I try to write clearly and directly, and this can sometimes come off as being overly aggressive...<br /><br />In any case, thank you for all those great references. If you are reading Fr. Cornelius a' Lapide and Abbot Gueranger, you are doing well!<br /><br />As I mentioned, I will be writing a post on this topic in the coming weeks -- comparing various opinions ... I myself am not entirely settled on the issue ...<br /><br />I hope you will continue to read and comment freely here at NTM ... I especially hope you will join in on the conversation when the future article on whether Jesus appeared to his Mother is posted. <br /><br />Peace and blessings to you! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-15318010382972920162011-04-27T07:12:33.625-07:002011-04-27T07:12:33.625-07:00Dear Father. I apologise for thinking those I run ...Dear Father. I apologise for thinking those I run with have ideas which are universally normative. I intended no harm or insult.<br /><br />I can not remember who it was that explained that "He appeared first to Mary Magdalene.." refers to the first that day/morning which does not rule-out Jesus appearing to His Mother just after His Midnight resurrection.<br /><br /> He was born at midnight (Wisdom 18; 14,15) in a Cave and, obviously, Mary was there first and, to me at least, it satisfies a spiritual balance and complimentarity that Mary would also be the first to witness his rebirth from a Cave whereas to think He did not appear to her first seems incongruent and off-putting; but, I realise that is my personal opinion.<br /><br />"The Great Biblical Commentary of Cornelius A Lapide (matt 28) cites Bede vis a vis Jesus appearing to His Mother, Mary, first. <br /><br />As to diversity of opinion on the matter, I do recognise the legitimacy of it and the reason I seem not to is the curt and aggressive way I write.<br /><br />So, I apologise for that, Father.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-63771314985332090562011-04-26T20:27:27.641-07:002011-04-26T20:27:27.641-07:00I am not Spartacus,
Thank you for providing some r...I am not Spartacus,<br />Thank you for providing some reference for your claim ... I was aware of Ignatius of Loyola and John Paul II, but I had not yet looked at Gueranger's works.<br /><br />Still, I should like to emphasize that there is freedom for diversity of opinion in this matter -- you don't seem to think this.<br />For some strange reason you think it is a "Tautology" to state "Jesus appeared first to his Mother". It is hard to understand how the statement is a self-evident tautology -- it may be true that Jesus appeared first to his Mother, but it is hardly a necessary, self-evident, analytic truth.<br /><br />All I have claimed is that St. Thomas has a good reason to think that Jesus appeared first to the Magdalene -- namely, the most obvious reading of Scripture, "He appeared first to Mary Magdalene"...<br />You are free to think otherwise (and many have thought so), but you ought not to condemn a Doctor of the Church without citing any authority whatsoever...<br /><br />Thank you for the various references in your later comments.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-48544890797176924522011-04-26T11:59:35.024-07:002011-04-26T11:59:35.024-07:00http://www.defendingthebride.com/pp/tomb/http://www.defendingthebride.com/pp/tomb/Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-70066873002707774462011-04-26T11:57:15.218-07:002011-04-26T11:57:15.218-07:00VATICAN CITY, MAY 21, 1997 (VIS) - The Holy Father...VATICAN CITY, MAY 21, 1997 (VIS) - The Holy Father focused the catechesis of today's general audience in St. Peter's Square on "Mary and the Resurrection of Christ," and recalled that "the Gospels narrate different apparitions of the Risen One, but not the meeting between Jesus and his Mother." <br /><br />"From this silence," he continued, "one must not deduce that Christ, after his Resurrection, did not appear to Mary." This omission might be attributed to the fact that "what is necessary for our saving knowledge is entrusted to the word of those 'who were chosen by God as witnesses,' that is, the Apostles," he said, citing the Acts of the Apostles. <br /><br />John Paul II asked how the Blessed Virgin, who was "present in the first community of the disciples, could have been excluded from the number of those who encountered her divine Son risen from among the dead. On the contrary, it is legitimate to think that the Mother may really have been the first person to whom the risen Jesus appeared. Could not the absence of Mary from the group of women who approached the tomb at dawn constitute an indication that she had already met Jesus?" <br /><br />"The unique and special nature of the presence of the Virgin at Calvary," added the Pope, "and her perfect union with the Son in his suffering on the Cross, seem to postulate a very particular participation on her part in the mystery of the Resurrection." <br /><br />The Blessed Virgin, who was present at Calvary and at the Cenacle, "was probably also a privileged witness to the Resurrection of Christ, in this way completing her participation in all the essential moments of the paschal mystery. Embracing the risen Jesus, Mary is, in addition, a sign and anticipation of humanity, which hopes to reach its fulfillment in the resurrection of the dead."Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-24970135105501216472011-04-26T11:49:01.515-07:002011-04-26T11:49:01.515-07:00Dear Father
"The Liturgical Year,' Dom G...Dear Father<br /><br />"The Liturgical Year,' Dom Gueranger. Volume VII "Paschal Time" - "Easter Sunday" Saint-to-be Gueranger cites Tradition, beginning with St. Ambrose that Jesus appeared first to His Mother, Mary. If one went solely by Scripture, then Jesus never appeared to His Mother but did, specifically, appear to Mary Magdalen, then Salome and Mary, then Peter, then the two wayfaers towards Emmaus, then the Apostles.<br /><br />But not Mary? Really?<br /><br />The reason I wrote what I did the way I did is what I wrote was, I thought, a Tautology. I have simply never known a traditional Catholic who thought otherwise.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-87507026147559439542011-04-26T06:47:54.002-07:002011-04-26T06:47:54.002-07:00I've been reading the Holy Father's Jesus ...I've been reading the Holy Father's Jesus of Nazareth, I like this passage which is somewhat pertinent to our topic:<br />'None of the evangelists recount Jesus' Resurrection itself. It is an event taking place within the mystery of God between Jesus and the Father, which for us defies description: by it's very nature it lies outside human experience.'<br />Chapter 9 Section 2BJGPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-91950721607802472742011-04-25T13:09:37.561-07:002011-04-25T13:09:37.561-07:00Thank-you Reginaldus -
May God bless you and keep...Thank-you Reginaldus -<br /><br />May God bless you and keep you in your wonderful teaching mission.GWAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01840883223560338540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-5840009330162064812011-04-25T09:17:32.117-07:002011-04-25T09:17:32.117-07:00@Regine, Bernardus, Fr. Levi, and Chatto,
Easter ...@Regine, Bernardus, Fr. Levi, and Chatto, <br />Easter blessings to you and to all!<br /><br />Bernardus, I like the connection between the miraculous way Christ came forth from the Blessed Mother and that by which he came forth from the tomb -- indeed, both of these mysteries were announced by angels.<br /><br />Gregory, I would lean toward the idea that it was an angel and not Adam -- because Adam's body is not yet risen ...<br />However, the point about those who rose after Christ's death is well taken (it seems that this event did not occur till Easter Sunday, though Matthew relates it to us on Good Friday).<br />I am of the opinion that this was a true bodily 'resurrection', but not a resurrection to glory (not as Christ and Mary have been glorified). Rather, it seems to have been more like what happened to Lazarus -- they were returned to earthly life.<br />Moreover, I believe that they died again almost immediately and that their bodies were returned to their tombs ... [it is a very difficult passage to interpret ... I am following Sts. Thomas and Augustine, but there are other possible interpretations]Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-83507264120186935672011-04-25T09:09:05.138-07:002011-04-25T09:09:05.138-07:00@ I am not Spartacus,
That is a very strong decla...@ I am not Spartacus,<br /><br />That is a very strong declarative statement ... I wish you had cited some authority (for example, St. Ignatius Loyola).<br />Theology should not be presented merely as matter of personal opinion, but should be rooted in revelation and the authority of the Fathers and Doctors.<br />Something for you to think about...<br /><br />In support of the position I have espoused (that Mary Magdalene was first to see the risen Lord), I did not simply give my personal opinion but instead I cited the highest authority of all -- "He appeared first to Mary Magdalene" (Mk 16:9). This passage of Scripture has been interpreted by many of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church to mean that Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Lord.<br /><br />In any case, in the coming days, I will be posting on whether Christ appeared to our Lady...Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-59234207903881467712011-04-25T06:19:08.297-07:002011-04-25T06:19:08.297-07:00Jesus appeared to His Mother, Mary, first.Jesus appeared to His Mother, Mary, first.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-3704899670743096772011-04-24T16:52:55.906-07:002011-04-24T16:52:55.906-07:00Your post mirrors my sermon for this glorious East...Your post mirrors my sermon for this glorious Easter morning, in spirit if not word for word! <br /><br />A blessed Pascha to you.Paddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10112119118958158131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-64262243019268264332011-04-24T13:05:42.999-07:002011-04-24T13:05:42.999-07:00It intrigues me that Mark only mentions that it wa...It intrigues me that Mark only mentions that it was a man, not an angel at the tomb. Is it possible that this may have been Adam? It seems clear that whether it was an angel or a human, the form was clearly a male. I wonder that it may in fact have been a human - transfigured, thus giving an angelic appearance - given that Matthew states that on Good Friday many of the (human) dead rose from the grave and appeared before witnesses.<br /><br />I wonder what your thoughts are, Reginaldus (moreover, what may have happened to those that rose on Good Friday? Where are they now?).<br /><br />It would seem very fitting if "the man" in Mark was, in fact, Adam.<br /><br />Resurrexit sicut dixit!GWAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01840883223560338540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-31174327469474142912011-04-24T10:33:49.018-07:002011-04-24T10:33:49.018-07:00My dear Fr. Reginaldus,
A Blessed Easter to you.
...My dear Fr. Reginaldus,<br />A Blessed Easter to you.<br /><br />Of interest to me, though not solely as the whole post cause wonder, ponder and contemplation, is the Angel's announcement. Because, it seems to me, there is a link or parallel to the Annunciation and the Herald to the Shepherds. For, in both instances, the Angel(s) open to us the Great Mystery unfolding, of God's most Merciful Love. The key is, if I may, to be open to that Mystery. And how awesome, Holy Church preserves this "pearl of great price" in the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass. We only have to be a people of faith as St. Paul.<br /> Thank you for challenging thoughts. You are in my prayers, please pray for me.<br /><br />BernardusBernardushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09343171766154713726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-85878841733576093452011-04-24T08:52:32.902-07:002011-04-24T08:52:32.902-07:00A most blessed Easter to you, Fr. Reginaldus! I ca...A most blessed Easter to you, Fr. Reginaldus! I cannot fully express to you how much this article has touched and moved me to the depth of my being. It is only with the eyes of Faith that one sees God's mysterious action in the world. And indeed, only those who are lowly in spirit can receive and understand God's revelations. Thank you so much for all the sharings and teachings with which you have gifted us. I praise God for you!Reginehttp://luzonmd@yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-2699501231354116442011-04-24T01:06:37.497-07:002011-04-24T01:06:37.497-07:00Happy Easter, Father! Christos anesti!Happy Easter, Father! Christos anesti!Chattohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14488939389859451887noreply@blogger.com