tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post3590362579317031479..comments2024-03-25T17:14:03.066-07:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: “My sheep hear my voice and no one shall pluck them out of my hand” does not mean “Once saved, always saved”Father Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-58521167188421060352016-04-18T09:34:45.609-07:002016-04-18T09:34:45.609-07:00Anonymous (April 16), please use a pseudonym.
Acco...Anonymous (April 16), please use a pseudonym.<br />According to eternal predestination, Judas may not be a sheep; but according to present justification he was certainly a sheep - as being "chosen" and "given". This is precisely the error in the Protestant read of the passage, an inability to recognize the distinction.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-44474222986655919942016-04-16T12:24:47.307-07:002016-04-16T12:24:47.307-07:00Where does it say that Judas is one of Jesus' ...Where does it say that Judas is one of Jesus' sheep? Please cite a verse on which your whole argument is based.<br /><br />In fact, Jesus says just the opposite earlier in John 6 which you quoted. In verse 63 He says "The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for NOTHING. The WORDS I have spoken to you - THEY are full of the Spirit and life. YET there are some of you who do not believe. For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him." And who betrayed Jesus?...... You see, this man of whom he speaks NEVER believed the WORDS, he never HEARD the VOICE, of The Shepherd who grants ETERNAL life to those who believe. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-36331320074420881612016-04-16T04:18:19.518-07:002016-04-16T04:18:19.518-07:00Judas is in Hell as can be seen in Catholic Tradit...Judas is in Hell as can be seen in Catholic Tradition, orthodox commentary of the Saints and even in the traditional Mass.<br /><br />HuVB is not worth a moment of your time and he is a danger to the Faith with his claims about ell being empty.<br /><br />Stick with Tradition and ignore the modernists.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-89109457657716526272016-04-16T02:12:38.486-07:002016-04-16T02:12:38.486-07:00Father, I was expounding on this verse for our RCI...Father, I was expounding on this verse for our RCIA group this past week. I explained indeed not even satan can wrest us from the Hand of Our Lord. We only need to partake of the Sacraments and do the will of the Father to remain in God's love. However, if we abuse our gift of free will, then we can fall away from Christ. We must always pray for strength of faith and God's protection from the influence of the evil one. Clinton R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-80048950783385988902016-04-15T20:44:41.274-07:002016-04-15T20:44:41.274-07:00Fr. Erlenbush,
Using Judas to demonstrate that gr...Fr. Erlenbush,<br /><br />Using Judas to demonstrate that grace can be lost is strong, however I have heard those who respond that since all of this occurred before the resurrection, Judas never was regenerated in the same sense that we are in the Church. The argument is that a soul truly regenerated unto the nature of eternal life cannot fall away. There are those who would even use Augustine for support on this. <br /><br />Also, I've heard the argument that the verb "take" in this verse is in the middle voice, meaning that noone, including the sheep itself, can successfully take the believer out of God's hand. What say you to this? Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-2745226054839571002016-04-15T16:30:45.820-07:002016-04-15T16:30:45.820-07:00Hell is not empty. Our Lady of Fatima showed hell...Hell is not empty. Our Lady of Fatima showed hell to the Fatima children. Sr. Lucia later told those questioning her, "Many souls go to hell." She repeated with emphasis, when pressed on this point, "No, *many* souls go to hell."<br />The children of Fatima are declared Blesseds by the Church.<br />May God grant us all the grace of final perseverance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-6096478053094263192016-04-15T07:04:25.486-07:002016-04-15T07:04:25.486-07:00Is it then official Church teaching that Judas is,...Is it then official Church teaching that Judas is, in fact, in hell? May we still have a good hope that hell is empty? Is von Balthasar incorrect? Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406809032127307531noreply@blogger.com