tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post4794654377893550676..comments2024-03-05T11:44:26.154-08:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: "I am the Immaculate Conception" and "I have been immaculately conceived"Father Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-76625267412892639162012-12-11T09:52:32.093-08:002012-12-11T09:52:32.093-08:00Conception is Idea.
Idea comes from truth, and tr...Conception is Idea. <br />Idea comes from truth, and truth comes through idea. <br /><br />Immaculate: God<br />Conception: Idea<br />Immaculate Conception: God’s Conception of Himself.<br /><br />The Holy Spirit is the Uncreated Immaculate Conception.<br />Mary is the ‘created’ Immaculate Conception. <br /><br />Idea always gives birth to its own truth. <br />Conception is conceived, conceives, and ‘is’ in itself. <br /><br />The Idea/Conception of Truth can only give birth to Truth. <br />The Idea/Conception of Love can only give birth to Love.<br /> <br />The truer our concept is of God, the more Mary-like we become.<br />As she conceives Him as He Is.<br />Ricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-45936714622239662772011-02-16T10:52:30.784-08:002011-02-16T10:52:30.784-08:00Cordelia,
I did not see it, but I will be reading ...Cordelia,<br />I did not see it, but I will be reading it soon! Thanks for the tip.<br /><br />Blessings to you and all at Catholic Phoenix! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-90379357615753576562011-02-16T10:42:38.264-08:002011-02-16T10:42:38.264-08:00Father, Did you see this post by Mark Shea? (It is...Father, Did you see this post by Mark Shea? (It is related to the interchangeability of Mary as Church and Jesus to some extent.)<br /><br /><br />http://www.insidecatholic.com/feature/perpetual-virginity-as-prophetic-sign.html .Cordelia at Catholic Phoenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04781343757689670170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-12524273560211486382011-02-15T06:24:43.321-08:002011-02-15T06:24:43.321-08:00Although I am still concerned about likening God t...Although I am still concerned about likening God to a "conception".Nickhttp://blogsofasoul.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-4749738876864503342011-02-15T06:21:21.445-08:002011-02-15T06:21:21.445-08:00Hmmm...maybe he was speaking in terms of the Incar...Hmmm...maybe he was speaking in terms of the Incarnation of God in Christ and Mary's imitation of Christ.Nickhttp://blogsofasoul.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-8499774625527708422011-02-14T12:45:26.161-08:002011-02-14T12:45:26.161-08:00St. Maximilian Kolbe has many fairly extreme ways ...St. Maximilian Kolbe has many fairly extreme ways of speaking about Lady...<br />I have heard that he calls Mary a "quasi-incarnation" of the Holy Spirit. <br />In the quote you reference, the Saint seems to call the Holy Spirit a uncreated "quasi-figure" of the Virgin Mary.<br /><br />For devotional purposes, I suppose this is ok -- but we must remember that it is highly highly metaphorical language! Certainly, we need to check ourselves often, and also we must found our devotion on solid theological principles...<br />So, I share your concerns to some extent.<br /><br />Peace to you. +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-69232465020914100702011-02-14T12:18:30.246-08:002011-02-14T12:18:30.246-08:00"I hope my previous comment wasn't too ha..."I hope my previous comment wasn't too harsh... I only meen to point out that the phrase "I am the Immaculate Conception" is a bit different from titles like "Mediatrix" "Co-Redemptrix" or even "Lady of the Rosary"."<br /><br />No fears, I appreciate correction :)<br /><br />What's your opinion on calling the Holy Spirit "the uncreated eternal Immaculate Conception"?Nickhttp://blogsofasoul.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-75187566590650501302011-02-12T20:27:50.497-08:002011-02-12T20:27:50.497-08:00@Nick,
I hope my previous comment wasn't too h...@Nick,<br />I hope my previous comment wasn't too harsh... I only meen to point out that the phrase "I am the Immaculate Conception" is a bit different from titles like "Mediatrix" "Co-Redemptrix" or even "Lady of the Rosary".<br /><br />Peace to you.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-14963052524607139972011-02-12T20:26:42.335-08:002011-02-12T20:26:42.335-08:00Cordelia,
I very much see what you are saying! Ind...Cordelia,<br />I very much see what you are saying! Indeed, especially when it comes to Old Testament prophecies, it is not always easy to distinguish which are of Christ and which of Mary (and which of both)...<br /><br />Here is a very simple example: The Protoevangelium of Genesis 3. <br />The Septuigent tradition renders God's words to the serpent, "He will crush your head" -- meaning Christ. <br />But Jerome (through an ambiguity in the Hebrew) reders it, "She will crush your head" -- meaning Mary.<br /><br />This ambiguity is the source of the popular image of Mary standing upon the serpents head...<br /><br /><br />Indeed, though the dogma of the Immaculate Conception is (of course) about Mary...it is also trul the Christ was conceived immaculate -- since, he too was conceived without sin...<br />The principle difference being that Mary was preserved from original sin (and thus, redeemed), but Christ was conceived in such a way that he did not even need to be preserved (hence, he has no need of a redeemer).<br /><br />There is so much to consider...I would love to right more...<br />"Wherever there is Mary, there is Christ; wherever there is Christ, there is Mary" (DeMontfort says something like this)<br />Peace to you in the Lord! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-52530838566832644922011-02-12T10:43:13.526-08:002011-02-12T10:43:13.526-08:00@Nick (4:49pm),
All fine points.
However, I should...@Nick (4:49pm),<br />All fine points.<br />However, I should think the differences would be obvious -- yes, Mary is "Mediatrix", but not "Mediation"... "Assumed", but not "Assumption"... this is part of what makes the statement "I am the Immaculate Conception" so interesing (if not wholly unique).<br /><br />Also, I'm glad you accept the Catechism, but you don't need to act as though you deserve an award for citing it...Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-43439063720459636282011-02-11T12:25:45.643-08:002011-02-11T12:25:45.643-08:00Think about it: Almighty God first created angels...Think about it: Almighty God first created angels, legions and legions of them. Next, He created humankind, lots and lots of them, too. But He called in to creation only ONE entity completely resistant to evil, the Blessed Virgin Mary. Happy feast day, Mother dear.<br /><br />--WilliamWilliamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532906102654768874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-26174238422408657562011-02-11T11:53:09.326-08:002011-02-11T11:53:09.326-08:00"uncreated eternal Immaculate Conception"..."uncreated eternal Immaculate Conception"<br /><br />The Holy Spirit is not conceived but proceeds. The Son, however, is begotten, yet still not conceived (unless we're talking about the Incarnation). Conception is a material act, and God is Spirit (yet made man in the Incarnation).Nickhttp://blogsofasoul.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-84042279288959442922011-02-11T11:19:41.977-08:002011-02-11T11:19:41.977-08:00St. Maximilian Kolbe wrote some profound things ab...St. Maximilian Kolbe wrote some profound things about Our Lady saying 'I am the Immaculate Concepion' rather than 'I was immaculately conceived.' <br /><br />The reason has to do with Our Lady's unique relationship to the Holy Spirit, with whom she is forever filled and intimately united to. St. Maximilian calls the Holy Spirit the 'uncreated eternal Immaculate Conception'. <br /><br />http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=6547Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-40982376776139108332011-02-11T10:55:19.274-08:002011-02-11T10:55:19.274-08:00@ Cordelia at Catholic Phoenix
The reference is t...@ Cordelia at Catholic Phoenix<br /><br />The reference is to Song of Solomon 1:5<br /><br />I am black but beautiful, O ye daughters of Jerusalem.,<br /><br />verse 4 in the vulgate: nigra sum sed formonsa filiae Hierusalem <br /><br /><br /><br />I leave to one wiser than me to respond to the similarity between the New Adam and the New Eve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-68409520693658699782011-02-11T08:06:18.686-08:002011-02-11T08:06:18.686-08:00Brief follow up on my comment:
Mary called hersel...Brief follow up on my comment:<br /><br />Mary called herself the Immaculate Conception because Bernette asked her her name. Same as when Lucia asked Mary for her name and she say Lady of the Rosary. It goes to show she represents the Mystical Body of Christ.<br /><br />And I said the Catechism is a handbook not so much for you but for those Catholics who believe it is heretical, because it is not as "traditional" as they like - though it certainly follows Apostolic Tradition!Nickhttp://blogsofasoul.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-50110436985924277312011-02-11T07:59:39.887-08:002011-02-11T07:59:39.887-08:00Father, I am assuming that the prophecy of "I...Father, I am assuming that the prophecy of "I am dark but beautiful." is biblical. Can you tell me where to find it? Also, I was working on a post during Advent that I never finished about Mary the Spotless Rose. I find it so interesting that Mary and Jesus are both associated with roses or the flowers of the field or the lily (or crocus?). Am I supposed to be getting easily confused with many seemingly interchangeable symbols for Mary and Jesus? You know probably how many people think the Immaculate Conception is Jesus. It's interesting how Mary and Jesus are so alike in many ways. Could you expound upon this seemingly interchangeability between Mary and Jesus?Cordelia at Catholic Phoenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04781343757689670170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-64701556261842903532011-02-11T07:49:39.553-08:002011-02-11T07:49:39.553-08:00Mary is entitled the Assumed in the Catechism, alo...Mary is entitled the Assumed in the Catechism, along with Mediatrix and Helper, and other titles as well. And the Catechism is a handbook of the Catholic faith, according to the late and current Popes.<br /><br />You cannot separate who Mary is and what events happened in her life - need I go over every Marian title that indicates its root in Mary's participation in Jesus' Life? - because she represents the Church.Nickhttp://blogsofasoul.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com