tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post5017083985102120143..comments2024-03-05T11:44:26.154-08:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: A better way of reading the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas AquinasFather Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-9132887932593809562017-10-03T08:30:15.734-07:002017-10-03T08:30:15.734-07:00http://www.corpusthomisticum.org/repedleo.html
Fo...http://www.corpusthomisticum.org/repedleo.html<br /><br />For those who wanted the Leonine Edition. It's all available in the link above.<br /><br />Here's all of Thomas' works in Latin: http://www.corpusthomisticum.org/iopera.htmlSam Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007848799596706099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-64139915065276801022017-02-07T20:55:40.867-08:002017-02-07T20:55:40.867-08:00I'm glad I found this article. I have been at...I'm glad I found this article. I have been attempting to read through the whole Summa from start to finish. I started back in 1992 when I was in Seminary. Now a priest of 21 years I am in the treatise on temperance. I'm reading it in the Latin. I have the one volume tome, the Edizioni Paoline, 1988. If I finish it it will be my one claim to fame:>) If I ever finish, I will come pack and post again. But there is great merit in what Fr. Ryan suggests here. Keep at it ladies and gentlemen. JE Dornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12373177381880367357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-76459199584350935992013-08-02T17:11:48.634-07:002013-08-02T17:11:48.634-07:00@Spero,
It is a terrible translation ... but the n...@Spero,<br />It is a terrible translation ... but the notes can be very very helpful -- especially concerning references to other authors of the time ... also, it is nice to have the latin on the facing page ... however, the essays contained in the volumes are rather pathetic (at least, I have not been impressed by most of the ones which I have read) ... so, that is that ...<br /><br />If you can read latin with ease, I'd recommend the following leonine edition with the commentary of cardinal cajetan ... http://www.criticalreprints.com/2012/04/works-of-thomas-aquinas.html<br /><br />These are good editions, I have them myself ... very affordable, when you consider the cost of the originals ... but you have to be able to read latin with great facility...<br /><br />Otherwise, I'd recommend the handful of commentaries by Garrigou-Lagrange and the translation of the summa published by benzinger (5 volumes, i believe) ... <br /><br />... but as I say, I was happy to have the 60 volume set available in my seminary library ... interesting to read -- but not something I myself am willing to purchase...Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-22121880472038272062013-07-30T09:22:45.113-07:002013-07-30T09:22:45.113-07:00What are your thoughts on this edition and do its ...What are your thoughts on this edition and do its advantages justify the expense (given that continuing education is part of my remuneration...but I would have to give up going to conferences for a couple years):<br />http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/religion/theology/summa-theologiae-complete-paperback-set-60-volumes-plus-one-index-volumeSperohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874524595162805879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-32746782198866138392012-11-02T00:37:45.121-07:002012-11-02T00:37:45.121-07:00Father, I have been looking for the summary of the...Father, I have been looking for the summary of the Summa you mentioned, but in Latin. And I want it in ONE volume. But I see plenty of editions and cannot figure out what they are:<br />- Theologicæ Summæ Compendium Auctore Petro Alagona<br />- Summa Summae Sacrosanctae Theologiae D. Thomas Aquinatis... (Latin Edition) Berardo Bongiovanni <br />- Summa Summae S. Thomae (Latin Edition) - Charles-René Billuard<br />Would you please be so kind as to ditrect me to what I need? Of course, St. Thomas' own summary of the Summa would be the best, but is it available in Latin in any bookstores?<br />Thank you.Hermithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382391845810350769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-12428820865002446382012-09-26T10:04:05.303-07:002012-09-26T10:04:05.303-07:00Excellent. I found this by searching "how to ...Excellent. I found this by searching "how to read aquinas" and it answers my questions best of the sites showed. Thankyou!gaiawriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04339128573002708003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-27717003930490597652012-02-19T10:40:56.511-08:002012-02-19T10:40:56.511-08:00Father, do you know where it is possible to find a...Father, do you know where it is possible to find a leonine edition of the Summa?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-70167010409656659182012-02-03T04:52:45.416-08:002012-02-03T04:52:45.416-08:00Dear Father Ryan,
Thank you for your kind advice,...Dear Father Ryan,<br /><br />Thank you for your kind advice, I'm beginning, but the fomes of sin, specifically to laziness, is fighting against my good intentions! God bless you and happy St. Blaise!Michelangelonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-28568204788182964112012-01-29T21:58:49.347-08:002012-01-29T21:58:49.347-08:00Do you Recommend The Aquinas Catechism?Do you Recommend The Aquinas Catechism?Josemaria Paulo Jeromino Martin Carvalho-Von Versterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128928800453615354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-42145266749907136312012-01-29T15:16:56.243-08:002012-01-29T15:16:56.243-08:00I was inspired by this to start doing it myself. I...I was inspired by this to start doing it myself. I've wanted to do a study of it for ages. <br /><br />Then I thought that my notes and summaries might be useful to my friends.<br /><br />So I'm putting them on a blog. Hopefully errors won't creep in.<br /><br />http://goldenstraw.blogspot.com/Johannes Faberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09639052107882155438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-21957677557068338062012-01-29T13:49:04.186-08:002012-01-29T13:49:04.186-08:00You're welcome. Deo gratias.
I like how it...You're welcome. Deo gratias.<br /><br />I like how it's a simple start for the laity who likely enough haven't had a course in St. Thomas. Then you can go back to the Summa and you have more of a framework.<br /><br />I picked up St. Thomas again because of his feast day and am reading about the virtues. And it is quite interesting how each relates to the other, and one may be a kind of descendant of the other, and so forth. I wish I had a single book dedicated entirely to widely treating of the many virtues that handle how they interrelate this way, in simple language.De Liliishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02996997498617363853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-51930414063152647112012-01-29T12:36:26.602-08:002012-01-29T12:36:26.602-08:00@De Liliis,
Thank you for the reference to the &qu...@De Liliis,<br />Thank you for the reference to the "Catechism of the Summa" by Pegues ... it is an excellent resource!Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-27236139712237273682012-01-29T12:31:43.952-08:002012-01-29T12:31:43.952-08:00Dr. Marshall,
While I do agree that people are far...Dr. Marshall,<br />While I do agree that people are far too strict in separating out the "treatises" ... I do think it is good to recognize that St. Thomas himself did divide his work into parts and sections (all of which, as you point out, are related).<br /><br />Thus, the so-called "treatise on the Incarnation" follows from the prologue to the third part in which St. Thomas says that there are three parts: the Savior himself, the sacraments, the immortal life.<br />Then, the first is divided into two parts: "the mystery of the incarnation itself", and "about such things as were done and suffered by our Saviour".<br /><br />Regarding the so-called treatise on Law, St. Thomas says (at the beginning of ST I-II, q.90) that God is the extrinsic principle moving us to do good. And that God does this by instructing us through his Law, and assisting us with his grace.<br />Then, St. Thomas embarks on the discussion of Law, first in itself in general and then in its parts.<br />The first part is qq. 90-92, the second is qq.93-108.<br />Of course, as you mention, this second part deals explicitly with the Old Law (of the Old Testament) and the New Law (of the Gospel). So, it is really a disservice to St. Thomas when people leave revelation out of his thought on Law.<br /><br />Still, I do think that there is some sense of recognizing the units within the Summa Theologica. All of these are united and bound together ... but there do seem to be real divisions and parts, which are often called "treatises".<br />At the same time, you are very right to point out that they are all connected and form one narrative.<br /><br />Peace and blessings! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-80961535077924058332012-01-29T12:13:45.490-08:002012-01-29T12:13:45.490-08:00@Josemaria,
Yes, you are correct, the translation ...@Josemaria,<br />Yes, you are correct, the translation on NewAdvent is the same ... and it is a good translation. Thanks for pointing this out!<br /><br />Regarding translations of other works ... I would point you to the following "Aquinas Biography" ... http://www.home.duq.edu/~bonin/thomasbibliography.html<br /><br />Here you will also find links to many on-line works.<br /><br />Peace to you! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-10825273713494527662012-01-29T08:03:54.817-08:002012-01-29T08:03:54.817-08:00I think it is a strange approach to start reading ...I think it is a strange approach to start reading the summa without first considering the philosophical underpinnings. <br /><br />Being publicly educated my whole life, and therefore lacking in theological or philosophical instruction, I personally found the writings of Jacques Maritain to be the most helpful in resolving the natural sciences (with which I was well acquainted) with a first philosophy. His 'Introduction to Philosophy' and 'The Degrees of Knowledge' were excellent companions to my first readings of the Summa, which I undertook in the first way mentioned in the article: opening at random and studying.<br /><br />In my youth I had been educated or informed by persons whose first principles were liberal or scientistic, so it was through Maritain (and other Thomists) that I was even able to get a handle of theology as a subject of study. <br /><br />Different experiences in life can influence which method of introductory study will be best for the reader. It may not be perfect, but I myself am a big fan of the heavily philisophical, open-at-random method! Let it be a starting point for further structured study!Andrejnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-42957686392266120012012-01-29T08:00:25.861-08:002012-01-29T08:00:25.861-08:00I've always benefited from R.P. Pegues 'Ca...I've always benefited from R.P. Pegues <a href="http://www.saintsbooks.net/books/Fr.%20R.P.%20Thomas%20Pegues,%20O.P.%20-%20Catechism%20of%20the%20Summa%20Theologica%20of%20St.%20Thomas%20Aquinas.pdf" rel="nofollow">'Catechism of the Summa'</a>, and Pope Benedict XV highly praised the book, which is included in the introduction.De Liliishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02996997498617363853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-76277622341307067722012-01-29T07:35:28.997-08:002012-01-29T07:35:28.997-08:00by the way The ST translation online is the same a...by the way The ST translation online is the same as the book you recommended.Josemaria Paulo Jeromino Martin Carvalho-Von Versterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128928800453615354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-25282454436215141462012-01-29T07:31:03.744-08:002012-01-29T07:31:03.744-08:00What are the Best Translations of Aquinas's ot...What are the Best Translations of Aquinas's other Books?Josemaria Paulo Jeromino Martin Carvalho-Von Versterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128928800453615354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-78845012397198460962012-01-29T07:20:03.088-08:002012-01-29T07:20:03.088-08:00Father, you've done an excellent job explainin...Father, you've done an excellent job explaining that who to read an article.<br /><br />My greatest pet peeve is that people refer to "treatises" in the Summa, for example, the Treatise on Law. This example in particular is entirely artificial. Those that speak this way usually don't include the New Law (and printed versions often omit the questions on the Mosaic Law). Huh? Talk about abusing what Thomas says "on the Law"!<br /><br />The entire Summa is a well planned "narrative" and anyone who thinks of sections as self-standing isn't presenting the text rightly.<br /><br />ad Jesum per Mariam<br />Taylor MarshallAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14702278020570844195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-77598867042500823722012-01-29T06:10:18.962-08:002012-01-29T06:10:18.962-08:00@Josemaria,
If you are looking for a Latin edition...@Josemaria,<br />If you are looking for a Latin edition ... the best by far is the Leonine edition (which comes with the commentary of Cajetan) ... but it is hard to find and very very expensive.<br /><br />If you are looking for an English edition ... my preference is the translation by the "Fathers of the English Dominican Province", which is published in both hard cover and paper back by "Christian Classics" from "Ave Maria Press" in Notre Dame, IN.<br />Personally, I would recommend the hard cover edition ... since it will last longer and can handle more continuous use.<br /><br /><br />On line, there is the easily navigated edition on NewAdvent.org ... unfortunately, this is not the best translation ... but it is easy to navigate.<br /><br />Peace to you! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-33650814498088160462012-01-29T00:00:36.261-08:002012-01-29T00:00:36.261-08:00Father Ryan
Which Edition of The Summa do You Re...Father Ryan<br /><br /><br />Which Edition of The Summa do You Recommend? <br /><br />Thanks!Josemaria Paulo Jeromino Martin Carvalho-Von Versterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128928800453615354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-11701684454152284102012-01-28T20:54:54.159-08:002012-01-28T20:54:54.159-08:00TO ALL:
Rather than looking to other peoples' ...TO ALL:<br />Rather than looking to other peoples' "shorter summa"s (like those of Kreeft), it is much better to look to St. Thomas' own summary of the Summa, which he wrote in the last two years of his life (specifically for people who would not have the time to read the whole Summa Theologica) ... you can get it here at Amazon -- http://www.amazon.com/Aquinass-Shorter-Summa-Thomass-Theologica/dp/1928832431/ref=pd_vtp_b_6<br /><br />or, even better (and for less), here from Aquinas and More Catholic Books -- http://www.aquinasandmore.com/title/aquinas-shorter-summa/fuseaction/store.itemdetails/sku/513Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-1069805877273502332012-01-28T20:44:20.035-08:002012-01-28T20:44:20.035-08:00@Daniel,
Also, I would recommend the commentaries ...@Daniel,<br />Also, I would recommend the commentaries of Fr Garrigou-Lagrange.<br />Personally, I find them to be some of the best in the entire Thomistic tradition (behind Cajetan's, of course).<br /><br />You can find some of these linked in the column on the right side of this blog -- "Christ the Savior" (On the treatise on the incarnation and the life of Christ), and "Grace" (on the treatise on grace).<br />There are a number of others which can be purchased from TAN books and other Catholic publishers.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-50984385497840451502012-01-28T20:33:18.587-08:002012-01-28T20:33:18.587-08:00As you indicate, the basic structural unit of the ...As you indicate, the basic structural unit of the Summa T is the treatise. In my view, the best way to come to terms with St Thomas' style is to study a treatise.Felixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-48123153721843923012012-01-28T15:59:05.087-08:002012-01-28T15:59:05.087-08:00A good commentary to go with the Summa is importan...A good commentary to go with the Summa is important. St. Thomas uses a lot of terminology that is not understood by a modern audience, or is not easily translated from Latin. While not a commentary on the whole Summa, I have found Holy Teaching by Frederick Bauerschmidt to be an outstanding resource.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15105420990294820012noreply@blogger.com