tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post5384333215306303833..comments2024-03-05T11:44:26.154-08:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: God, who can neither deceive nor be deceived, knows all thingsFather Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-34609680047168080732011-03-05T05:57:53.316-08:002011-03-05T05:57:53.316-08:00"The only begotten Son incarnate, made perfec..."The only begotten Son incarnate, made perfect man for us, knmw the day and the hour of judmgent 'in' his human nature but did not know it 'from' his human nature. What he knew therefore 'in' his humanityh he did not know 'from' it." (Gregory the Great, Letter to Eulogius).<br /><br />Also see St. Thomas: Summa Theologiae III, q.10-12; especially q.11,a.1 "Whether by infused knowledge Christ knew all things"...http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4011.htmFather Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-46557269710863297742011-03-04T22:14:54.099-08:002011-03-04T22:14:54.099-08:00Also, it should be pointed out that Gregory the Gr...Also, it should be pointed out that Gregory the Great was, of course, Pope when he wrote those words...it is a common opinion of many theologians that he was teaching authoritatively [thus, that particular letter is included as Magisterium in doctrinal collections like "The Christian Faith" by Neuner/DuPuis; it is also in Denzinger]...<br /><br />In any case, the relevant portions of Gregory's teaching are referenced in the Catechism's foot-note on Christ's human knowledge as well... The Catechism (while not the only or even the most academic source of Doctrine) is a sure norm for teaching the faith... if Gregory the Great is good enough for the ordinary magisterial teaching found in the Catechism, he is good enough for me... <br />Let others go as they will...Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-4944488547169107502011-03-04T22:07:03.679-08:002011-03-04T22:07:03.679-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-1757542845548312672011-03-04T20:23:09.746-08:002011-03-04T20:23:09.746-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-11738273659560748012011-03-04T17:31:43.636-08:002011-03-04T17:31:43.636-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-63841596933222428122011-03-04T15:40:18.247-08:002011-03-04T15:40:18.247-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-39170888305371025562011-03-04T08:38:25.647-08:002011-03-04T08:38:25.647-08:00A god is a supernatural being. If one god exists, ...A god is a supernatural being. If one god exists, such a god must be endowed with enough power to create the whole of nature.<br /><br />This must include Omniscience, or else the god could not know enough to create the Universe in its fullness, beauty, life, and layers.<br /><br />If Omniscient, this god must not be able to be deceived in any way.<br /><br />If unable to be deceived, neither can the god deceive himself in any way.<br /><br />If unable to deceive himself, neither can the god deceive any lesser being.<br /><br />Ergo, God, being the only true God, is Omniscient, cannot be deceived, and cannot deceive us.<br /><br />If anyone seeks an absolute thing free of any deception, he will find the truth. For the truth is true.<br /><br />The Truth cannot deceive or be deceived. It must know without having to learn anything.<br /><br />So if one man sought to learn if God is a liar, and if another man sought to learn what true thing there is in the Universe, both men would arrive at the inescapable truth that God is the Truth, the Truth is God. <br /><br />Hence the Truth cannot not be the Truth and the Truth, God cannot not be God and God: So God cannot lie, and the argument "God is so powerful that He can lie" is fallacious.Nickhttp://blogsofasoul.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-89900027333941414932011-03-04T08:35:15.328-08:002011-03-04T08:35:15.328-08:00dcs, Agreed! If only someone would translate the c...dcs, Agreed! If only someone would translate the commentaries of Cornelius a' Lapide and St. Lawrence of Brindisi! Lapide's Gospel commentaries are in English...but not much else.<br /><br />Well, we must do the best we can to bring back the rich tradition of Catholic Biblical scholarship!Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-60572355732701981362011-03-04T08:32:54.493-08:002011-03-04T08:32:54.493-08:00@Anonymous (3:15pm),
You have forgotten that human...@Anonymous (3:15pm),<br />You have forgotten that human knowledge is of three types: beatific, infused, acquired.<br />Only acquired is limited by historical conditions...and in this way Christ did not know the day or hour (as I said quite clearly).<br /><br />But according to beatific and infused knowledge -- which is still true human knowledge -- Christ did know the day and hour, "in" but not "from" his Humanity.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-33652124142141928712011-03-04T08:29:52.338-08:002011-03-04T08:29:52.338-08:00Anonymous (3:15pm),
If you want to continue this c...Anonymous (3:15pm),<br />If you want to continue this conversation, you need to add some sort of tag, id, pseudonym at the end of your comments.<br />Like this:<br /><br />- ReginaldusFather Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-68135421242938593832011-03-04T07:55:03.434-08:002011-03-04T07:55:03.434-08:00I think you are quite correct that people are proo...I think you are quite correct that people are proof-texting these passages of Scripture and not considering the opinions of the Fathers on them. It reeks of Protestantism. Unfortunately, whatever awakening among the Faithful of the importance of studying Holy Scripture has not been accompanied by a similar awakening of the importance of interpreting Scripture according to the mind of the Church.dcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424510747759223459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-70950892769056134962011-03-04T06:15:51.796-08:002011-03-04T06:15:51.796-08:00This human soul that the Son of God assumed is end...This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, “increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man”, and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com