tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post5559975981364215547..comments2024-03-25T17:14:03.066-07:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: If prayer can't change God, what good is it? The example of St. MonicaFather Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-16505195379403786102011-08-30T12:49:17.557-07:002011-08-30T12:49:17.557-07:00Thank you so much for this Father. That table mann...Thank you so much for this Father. That table manners analogy is a perfect analogy to use when one is arguing the point with someone who doesnt believe in prayer or argues the use of prayer. This whole article really is great. Please please keep up the great work.<br /><br />PhilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-31168331773849171332011-08-28T22:54:29.405-07:002011-08-28T22:54:29.405-07:00CS Lewis, paraphrased: I pray not to change God, ...CS Lewis, paraphrased: I pray not to change God, but to change me -- I am the one who needs a change of heart.CH (CPT) Brian Stanley, USAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-21141721973205963172011-08-28T18:32:13.381-07:002011-08-28T18:32:13.381-07:00Dear Father Ryan,
I had never heard the table man...Dear Father Ryan,<br /><br />I had never heard the table manners analogy of prayer before, excellent! I hope you don't mind if I plagiarize it... God bless you, Father.Michelangelonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-82156335434539273122011-08-27T08:43:17.560-07:002011-08-27T08:43:17.560-07:00@Anon (5:37am),
Thank you for the excellent quote ...@Anon (5:37am),<br />Thank you for the excellent quote from the Summa and for the reference to St. Thomas' commentary on the Our Father (in his commentary on Matthew).<br /><br />Also, by way of reminder, please use a pseudonym when leaving a comment.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-45331054582711726292011-08-27T05:37:56.489-07:002011-08-27T05:37:56.489-07:00II-II, Q. 83, a. 2, c: For we pray not that we may...II-II, Q. 83, a. 2, c: For we pray not that we may change the Divine disposition, but that we may impetrate that which God <b>has disposed to be fulfilled by our prayers</b> in other words "that by asking, men may deserve to receive what Almighty God from eternity has disposed to give," as Gregory says (Dial. i, 8)<br /><br />It is worth noting that St. Thomas, <a href="http://www.corpusthomisticum.org/cma0609.html" rel="nofollow">in his commentary on the Lord's Prayer in the Gospel of Matthew</a>, notes the destruction of these two errors. The first is destroyed by acknowledging God as our Father, that is, as someone who cares about us. The second is destroyed by acknowledging that he is "in heaven", thus removing the notion of a changeable disposition. So these two major errors regarding prayer are swept away in the very first line of the prayer Christ gave us as a model of prayer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-49133525973396954792011-08-27T05:18:09.232-07:002011-08-27T05:18:09.232-07:00Thank you for pointing out the questionable transl...Thank you for pointing out the questionable translation of the opening prayer of today's liturgy. I had exactly the same reaction that you did when I heard the prayer this morning. As someone who makes his living in part by translating medieval Latin texts into English, I never cease to be amazed by the theological ignorance (and worse) evinced by many of the liturgical translations we are currently saddled with.Alfredohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14817605895257103762noreply@blogger.com