tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post7545014383301694990..comments2024-03-05T11:44:26.154-08:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: God the Father loved the world, but why did he not give us himself together with his Son?Father Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-61554404378527823572012-03-22T07:34:20.045-07:002012-03-22T07:34:20.045-07:00Thank you father. You cleared it a big deal for me...Thank you father. You cleared it a big deal for me by mentioning union and distinction. :)<br /><br />Thanks again.<br />Vale+Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-61021419320462551682012-03-21T10:31:41.003-07:002012-03-21T10:31:41.003-07:00Marko,
By what the theologians call "circumci...Marko,<br />By what the theologians call "circumcissio" or "perichoresis" the Divine Persons are present in one another.<br />The union of the Three is greater than any union imaginable ... it is greater than any created union.<br />The distinction of the Three is greater than any distinction imaginable ... greater than any created distinction.<br /><br />United but not mixed, distinct but not separate.<br /><br />As I say in the article, the Persons are present in one another by virtue of the single divine Essence, which is each of the Persons and all of them together. Beyond this, it is extremely difficult to find the right words ...Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-76331061020390380052012-03-21T08:36:21.626-07:002012-03-21T08:36:21.626-07:00Please Father could you answer my question?Please Father could you answer my question?Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-28475910985176701182012-03-18T05:37:08.800-07:002012-03-18T05:37:08.800-07:00@ Robert
You wrote:
"A pious and humble searc...@ Robert<br />You wrote:<br />"A pious and humble search for truth He will allow, a search that is ever ready to learn and that seeks to walk in the reasonable doctrine of the fathers."<br /><br />I think that studying these mysteries (such as the way Christ is sacramentally present in the Eucharist) is done exactly on the grounds of a pious and humble search for truth. It is pious because it helps to clear out the errors of the heretics (claiming either a symbolical or material presence of Christ in the host) and also to help the mind make the Real Presence more acceptable to reason: when reason assists the faith, the latter can do nothing but grow, and in fact the main problem of religion is that it sounds "unreasonable" in a typically positivist era. But this study is clearly also humble on at least two grounds: the first, as it isn't the human mind of theologians who defines the doctrines, but the Holy Spirit who guides the Church; the second, as the definition doesn't come from a mere speculation on unknown things, but on the contrary on the definition of what is wrong. In other words, our definition of transubstantiation isn't a forgery of the human intellect, but the result of a clear and infallibly inspired understanding of errors and heresies. I think the vain curiosity addressed in the Imitation of Christ is the one coming from mere speculation - such as counting the number of angels in the heavenly host... that's indeed vain curiosity and not theology proper. This is, at least, my opinion.Alessandronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-4867590558642617562012-03-17T10:22:53.330-07:002012-03-17T10:22:53.330-07:00This is a beautiful and touching piece of theology...This is a beautiful and touching piece of theology and explains much for me.<br /> We have often heard that when a son dies prematurely the parent says "I would have died in his place", or a "Mother should not bury her son but the son should bury his mother." So the father values the life of his son over his own. BobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-55110078893694227092012-03-17T08:12:24.878-07:002012-03-17T08:12:24.878-07:00Dear Father Ryan:
The point of view that I was tr...Dear Father Ryan:<br /><br />The point of view that I was trying to address comes from, for example, Book 4, Chapter 18 of "The Imitation of Christ"...the idea of vain curiosity and better to walk by faith.<br /><br />"BEWARE of curious and vain examination of this most profound Sacrament, if you do not wish to be plunged into the depths of doubt. He who scrutinizes its majesty too closely will be overwhelmed by its glory.<br /><br />God can do more than man can understand. A pious and humble search for truth He will allow, a search that is ever ready to learn and that seeks to walk in the reasonable doctrine of the fathers.<br /><br />Blest is the simplicity that leaves the difficult way of dispute and goes forward on the level, firm path of God’s commandments. Many have lost devotion because they wished to search into things beyond them.<br /><br />Faith is required of you, and a sincere life, not a lofty intellect nor a delving into the mysteries of God. If you neither know nor understand things beneath you, how can you comprehend what is above you?...<br /><br />...For in this most holy and supremely excellent Sacrament, faith and love take precedence and work in a hidden manner.<br /><br />God, eternal, incomprehensible, and infinitely powerful, does great and inscrutable things in heaven and on earth, and there is no searching into His marvelous works. If all the works of God were such that human reason could easily grasp them, they would not be called wonderful or beyond the power of words to tell."<br /><br />RobertAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-46058291833664300172012-03-17T07:31:45.757-07:002012-03-17T07:31:45.757-07:00Robert,
About those sacred mysteries we love most,...Robert,<br />About those sacred mysteries we love most, we speak very carefully.<br /><br />This is why the saints have all rejoiced to try to explain some aspect of the Trinity.<br /><br />It's strange you would make your comment on the feast of St. Patrick ... you do remember the shamrock, yes?Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-9088661806322951292012-03-17T06:08:50.692-07:002012-03-17T06:08:50.692-07:00The Eucharist is a "sacred mystery." Wh...The Eucharist is a "sacred mystery." What God is, is certainly above our comprehension. Why don't we just leave it at that?<br /><br />RobertAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-14780707655917347932012-03-16T14:52:25.194-07:002012-03-16T14:52:25.194-07:00This seems sort of analogous to Jesus Christ being...This seems sort of analogous to Jesus Christ being sacramentally present in each species, standing alone. I.e., we consume the whole Christ, body, blood, soul and divinity, by only consuming, for example, the consecrated host.Mark Duchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08981480718553017552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-29955107742033238052012-03-16T02:13:44.801-07:002012-03-16T02:13:44.801-07:00Hello Father.
Question immediately comes to my hea...Hello Father.<br />Question immediately comes to my head?<br /><br />If "the Father is in the Son, and both are in the Holy Ghost. And again the Son is in the Father, and the Holy Ghost in the Father and the Son." in what manner are the other two Divine Persons, namely the Father and the Holy Spirit present in the Eucharist?<br />In what manner is each Person present in the other Person generally speaking?Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.com