tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post9179983536544694901..comments2024-03-05T11:44:26.154-08:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: There is no Mass on Good Friday and there is no Mass in heavenFather Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-5929855535550048272016-06-11T06:19:15.381-07:002016-06-11T06:19:15.381-07:00Beautiful and inspiring Beautiful and inspiring Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01539892675286602939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-55819211360913057602011-06-19T10:01:17.366-07:002011-06-19T10:01:17.366-07:00Father,
There is also a penitential aspect to the...Father,<br /><br />There is also a penitential aspect to the "Eucharistic fast" on Great Friday. The Mass is not celebrated because it is a penitential day, not a celebration of the Resurrection and of the conquest of sin and death.<br /><br />Greek Catholics do not celebrate Liturgy on any weekday in Great Lent, for this reason - we have a "Liturgy of the Presanctified" administering Communion consecrated on the previous Sunday, which as I understand is the Roman custom for Good Friday today.<br /><br />In Christ,<br /><br />SeraphimSeraphimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-36988840356340414112011-04-21T09:00:32.437-07:002011-04-21T09:00:32.437-07:00Hi Father,
thanks for the response. Fingers cross...Hi Father,<br /><br />thanks for the response. Fingers crossed for a (simple) Thomist explanation!<br /><br />Also, I'm very disappointed that my hero has been bumped from your line up of Teachers at the top of the blog. Sad times. If he gets made a Doctor of the Church, will you put him back?Chattohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14488939389859451887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-81120688305502078232011-04-20T18:03:47.573-07:002011-04-20T18:03:47.573-07:00Dear Fr. Reginaldus,
I don't know what direct...Dear Fr. Reginaldus,<br /><br />I don't know what directives might be in force today, but I know under the the liturgical law in force in the middle of the XXth century a priest could celebrate Mass on Good Friday if he needed to consecrate Hosts for Viaticum. I believe he had to offer the Votive Mass of the Sacred Heart, but I could be mistaken about that (it was a particular Votive Mass - he did not have a choice of which Mass to celebrate). You can find the exact answer in Jone if you have it handy (I don't).dcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424510747759223459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-35887094412183030632011-04-20T14:12:36.654-07:002011-04-20T14:12:36.654-07:00@Donda7,
Spero che posso resepondere in englese......@Donda7,<br />Spero che posso resepondere in englese...<br />In the traditional Mass, the chasuble is not used, but only the cope (piviale). The traditional Mass was actually very very complicated -- switching between black and violet, and putting on and taking off the copes...<br /><br />Still, the chasuble is not totally illogical in the sense that the Good Friday commemoration is not "less" than Mass, but "more"...hence, we are even more perfectly united to the Sacrifice; thus, it could make sense to wear the chasuble.<br /><br />Still, I do agree that there is much to be said for the older practice of using the cope.<br /><br />Pace e bene! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-40221227469854867152011-04-20T13:51:37.821-07:002011-04-20T13:51:37.821-07:00Dev,
I do not know of any rubrical directive on th...Dev,<br />I do not know of any rubrical directive on this point ... certainly, it would seem that the giving of viaticum would be extremely important.<br />As I am a dogmatist and not a liturgist or historian, I really cannot give a good answer to the question.<br />Peace! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-8672024863140643862011-04-20T13:49:59.703-07:002011-04-20T13:49:59.703-07:00@Chatto,
It is very hard to point to any one eleme...@Chatto,<br />It is very hard to point to any one element as the "commemoration of the passion as it was really accomplished" ... It would be more than simply the actions of the proclamation of the Lord's Passion and the Veneration of the Cross -- it is tied with the liturgical calendar as well ... reading the Passion and Venerating the Cross on any other day would not be the same ... <br />It is hard to say, and I am not really sure what the right answer is. But the liturgical year is certainly a key element.<br /><br />Regarding the graces of Good Friday -- we do receive the sacramental grace through receiving the Eucharist; but there is additional grace given through the veneration of the Cross on this particular day. These additional grace are not sacramental (for they do not rely on figure, but on the pure reality)...<br /><br />Many good things to think about! I hope that a good Dominican Thomist will write a book about this some day! :)Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-33460611025969353552011-04-20T11:52:51.314-07:002011-04-20T11:52:51.314-07:00Donda,
Grazie per la sua risposta. Una buona doma...Donda,<br /><br />Grazie per la sua risposta. Una buona domanda a cio non ho una risposta... Sarebbe interessante per guardare alla forma straordinaria per delle indicatori. Forse il nostro Reginaldus sa la risposta giusta...<br />Mi scusi per l'italiano debole.<br /><br />Buona Pascha in attesa!Campionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485337690568914107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-60707612892656519472011-04-20T11:28:39.421-07:002011-04-20T11:28:39.421-07:00Father,
The grace of God led me to this blog. If...Father,<br /><br />The grace of God led me to this blog. If you only knew what hope you have given me!<br /><br />God reward you abundantly!<br /><br />Veronica<br /><br />P.S. The picture IS beautiful...wish our parish church looked like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-6786087138069629862011-04-20T10:23:21.404-07:002011-04-20T10:23:21.404-07:00Micah,
The picture is from the FSSP Seminary in De...Micah,<br />The picture is from the FSSP Seminary in Denton, NE. <br />It was posted originally over at NLM on April 14, 2006.<br />http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2006/04/images-of-and-from-good-friday.html<br /><br />Peace. +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-49545162242932812952011-04-20T08:57:19.063-07:002011-04-20T08:57:19.063-07:00Okay, I have to ask...do you know where the pictur...Okay, I have to ask...do you know where the picture in this article was taken? What I see is identical to the high altar in my cathedral, except that our cathedra is in front of our old tabernacle. :-(Micahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18146029141101557910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-80793227043141532512011-04-20T07:11:07.300-07:002011-04-20T07:11:07.300-07:00Thanks for this post. One question: is it strictl...Thanks for this post. One question: is it strictly true that Mass cannot be celebrated at all on GF with no exceptions?<br /><br />I ask because I have heard from a knowledgeable person that at least traditionally, if someone was in extremis and there was no access to the reserved Sacrament, a priest could celebrate a votive Mass of the Passion on GF in order to be able to give viaticum.Dev Thakurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440612207815711647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-1064260831386978162011-04-20T06:24:27.318-07:002011-04-20T06:24:27.318-07:00Perchè se non c'è messa al venerdì santo si ce...Perchè se non c'è messa al venerdì santo si celebra con la casula e non con il piviale? Se qualcuno avrà la pazienza di rispondermi lo ringrazio. Perchè secondo me è illogico,donda7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-22376286096996464862011-04-20T04:50:09.486-07:002011-04-20T04:50:09.486-07:00After 62 years since I was born and baptized a Cat...After 62 years since I was born and baptized a Catholic, After so many years of catechism, service in the church as altar boy in the V.O. and lector in the N.O., only now that I read the posts in this blog I can say that I have a much clearer picture of the sacraments, most especially the eucharist and of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.<br />I offer my dayly prayers for the creators and keepers of this blog. May God richly bless you all.Paolonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-32091968306159835512011-04-20T04:30:44.705-07:002011-04-20T04:30:44.705-07:00Father,
could you tell us more of the "prope...Father,<br /><br />could you tell us more of the "proper species" of the sacrifice of the Cross on Good Friday? Is it simply through reading the Lord's Passion and Veneration of the Cross? <br /><br />Also, are there graces especially associated with this more perfect unity with the Sacrifice? Like sacramental graces, but different.Chattohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14488939389859451887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-31111864083043709592011-04-20T02:19:13.452-07:002011-04-20T02:19:13.452-07:00Yes, very thought provoking, interesting and beaut...Yes, very thought provoking, interesting and beautiful.Richard Collinshttp://linenonthehedgerow.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-63967757862086665142011-04-19T18:08:22.034-07:002011-04-19T18:08:22.034-07:00I like this; will have to think about it; and read...I like this; will have to think about it; and read it again. <br /><br />Thanks for posting before Good Friday.kkollwitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17691145638703824456noreply@blogger.com