tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post9214986449644951089..comments2024-03-05T11:44:26.154-08:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: Do Catholics make Mary Immaculate to be equal to Jesus?Father Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-39917643707527713062012-12-20T00:45:13.544-08:002012-12-20T00:45:13.544-08:00I think the context in 2 Peter IS talking about hu...I think the context in 2 Peter IS talking about humans-humans that are so wicked they are presumptious to speak ill of spiritual beings.<br /><br />Peter goes on to say, in effect, "look, even angels don't even blaspheme celestial beings," strongly implying that neither should we.<br /><br />Where Protestants get hung up is the term "blasphemy," because they confuse it with heresy or some other term. They think it means "a false statement about God." So when we speak of not blaspheming Mary, of course they think we're deifying her. We should teach that "blasphemy" is an "arrogant, insulting accusation," which is what I believe the Greek does in this passage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-20759600786361314792012-12-19T04:45:32.842-08:002012-12-19T04:45:32.842-08:00Dear TLP. Your interesting exegesis is wrong. Holy...Dear TLP. Your interesting exegesis is wrong. Holy Writ is teaching that the faithful angels did not curse the fallen ones; that is, it ain't about humans.<br /><br />Here is Haydock:<br /><br /><i>Ver. 11. Whereas angels, &c. By comparing this place with what we read in St. Jude, (ver. 9) he speaks of the good angels whom God employed to banish the rebellious angels out of heaven, and on other occasions, who, though they had greater strength and power given them by the Almighty, yet did not bear execrable judgment against themselves; i.e. one against another, or against those who at first had been happy spirits with them in heaven; did not exult over them with injuries and reviling reflections, but executed their commands in the name of God, saying, let the Lord command you. See Jude, ver. 9. (Witham) --- Bring not an execrable judgment, &c. That is, they use no railing, nor cursing sentence; not even in their conflicts with the evil angels. (Challoner)</i>Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-79719742827595060512012-12-13T20:20:27.736-08:002012-12-13T20:20:27.736-08:00@Thomas L- "blasphemy" is from the Greek...@Thomas L- "blasphemy" is from the Greek word that means "to bring a railing accusation against." We are forbidden by Scripture to blaspheme heavenly beings (which would include Mary) and even forbidden from blaspheming devils. See Jude 1:9 and 2 Peter 2:11.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-70738372929348065402012-12-12T04:34:58.195-08:002012-12-12T04:34:58.195-08:00Every single word of the New Testament came into b...Every single word of the New Testament came into being when The Holy Ghost inspired Catholic authors to write what they did for the benefit of other Catholics who were part of the already existing nascent Catholic Church that preceded the Canon of The New testament and the crucial criteria for deciding what books would be included in the Canon of The New Testament is whether of not the book in question had been read at Catholic Mass.<br /><br />The plain and simple truth is that The Catholic Church has exclusive and total control of The New Testament and the Catholic Church alone has the authority to explain what those books mean and the fact the Catholic Church has stopped proclaiming this simple truth is the cause of much madness and mayhem. and misinformation.<br /><br />Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-74374513834380478432012-12-11T18:05:41.571-08:002012-12-11T18:05:41.571-08:00@Father Valentine,
Thank you for the fraternal com...@Father Valentine,<br />Thank you for the fraternal comment!<br />Oremus pro invicem! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-11764634806769477492012-12-11T18:05:10.049-08:002012-12-11T18:05:10.049-08:00@ThomasL,
Sed contra -
"The prohibition of...@ThomasL,<br /><br />Sed contra - <br /><br />"The prohibition of blasphemy extends to language against Christ's Church, the saints, and sacred things." (Catechism of the Catholic Church 2148)<br /><br />"Blasphemy is the use of the name of God, of Jesus Christ, of the Virgin Mary, and of the saints in an offensive way." (CCC 2162)<br /><br />Peace. +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-66294501056004271052012-12-10T09:46:37.235-08:002012-12-10T09:46:37.235-08:00"Even the justice of God, by faith of Jesus C..."Even the justice of God, by faith of Jesus Christ, unto all and upon all them that believe in him: for there is no distinction: For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God."<br /><br />St. Paul's topic is Jews and Gentiles. "All" = Both Jews and Gentiles.<br />SDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-35236535254176421442012-12-10T08:26:22.479-08:002012-12-10T08:26:22.479-08:00I found this article very interesting in light of ...I found this article very interesting in light of your very interesting article, Fr. Erlendbush. <br /><br />http://causafinitaest.blogspot.ca/2012/12/too-much-mary-or-too-little-jesus.htmlColdStandinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08309476438059947636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-74466831081845873612012-12-10T03:34:38.362-08:002012-12-10T03:34:38.362-08:00Adam was created from an uncursed earth and Jesus ...Adam was created from an uncursed earth and Jesus became man in the womb of an uncursed woman.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-24182444829783420512012-12-09T16:29:03.879-08:002012-12-09T16:29:03.879-08:00"All have sinned and fallen short of the glor..."All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" must exclude Christ since He IS the glory of God. So Mary still is a sinner. Why else would she have offered sin offerings? (Luke 2:24; Leviticus 12:6,8) [This makes me question the authenticity of the Christmas story that states the Magi bringing gold and such. If so, Mary would have offered the former offering of Leviticus 12 instead of the later; and Herod wouldn't have orded the killing of all boys under two since even barely one year-olds can walk and newborns can't even come close. (Just an extra thought.)]<br /><br />Mike Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-42132868464549467292012-12-09T11:15:04.622-08:002012-12-09T11:15:04.622-08:00I'm not certain that, "In this, they blas...I'm not certain that, "In this, they blaspheme twice: once against our Lady..." is quite what you mean to say.<br /><br />Blasphemy is sin against God. Both in common usage and in all dictionaries I have ever seen it is specifically against God (“An indignity offered to God in words, writing, or signs…” “speaking evil of God…” “To attribute to God that which is contrary to his nature…”). <br /><br />It is hard to make the argument that Catholics do not consider Mary equal to Jesus (ie, equal to God) and then in the following paragraph accuse people of blasphemy--a sin against God--for speaking inappropriately of her, even if it is admitted that they have spoken wrongly.ThomasLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-83594342426537052662012-12-08T19:09:12.669-08:002012-12-08T19:09:12.669-08:00Thank you for explicating my favorite feast. Here&...Thank you for explicating my favorite feast. Here's a question. Mary was free from original sin and all subsequent sin. Given this, could she really say no to being the Mother of God? In other words, her sinlessness trumped free will. A sinless daughter can't say no to her Father.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761490513078920404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-10325228495436295002012-12-08T14:38:30.641-08:002012-12-08T14:38:30.641-08:00@Anonymous,
I'm always amazed when someone tak...@Anonymous,<br />I'm always amazed when someone takes the time to read an article and even to make a comment, but fails to be considerate enough to read the note above the comment box and also the comment policy (on the left) -- "If you want your comment to be published: Use a name or pseudonym"<br /><br />In any case, if you re-read the article you will see that I did not say that St Paul claimed that any have contracted original sin ... the second quotation which you pluck out without paying any attention to the flow of the argument only states that even if St Paul was speaking of original sin (and he was not) we would know that Jesus at least is exempted from the "all".<br /><br />Do you really not understand a counter-factual "if"?Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-68386608232757113082012-12-08T13:32:08.348-08:002012-12-08T13:32:08.348-08:00This is accurate:
In fact, St. Paul is not speakin...This is accurate:<br />In fact, St. Paul is not speaking about original sin at all. Rather, he is clearly speaking of actual sins – since original sin is not included in the active verb “have sinned”. We cannot state that a child, conceived in original sin “has sinned”.<br /><br />There is a difference between having sinned and being born into sin.<br /><br /><br />This is not accurate:<br />First, we state that, if St. Paul means to state that “all” have contracted original sin, then we would be forced to believe that Christ too was stained by original sin. But we know that Jesus was without sin, therefore, we know that St. Paul does not mean to state that all are burdened with original sin. At the very least, Jesus is an exception to the statement All have sinned.<br /><br /><br />You changed the words of Paul. He didn't say anything about "contracting" a sin. He spoke in the active sense, not the passive sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-26357593152081202772012-12-08T12:14:18.255-08:002012-12-08T12:14:18.255-08:00Ellen and Walter,
All souls are created by God, bu...Ellen and Walter,<br />All souls are created by God, but the human nature is received from the active generative power of the father ... however, this was not the case with Christ.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-31337920841436976192012-12-08T05:25:55.335-08:002012-12-08T05:25:55.335-08:00Father, some questions:
Was the moment of her anim...Father, some questions:<br />Was the moment of her animation the same as the moment when her body was created? Same question for Jesus' human nature. <br />Are not all human souls formed by the Holy Spirit?<br />How did Mary's freedom from original sin affect her body?<br /><br />WalterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-55566864572660876142012-12-08T04:05:32.904-08:002012-12-08T04:05:32.904-08:00Father, I thought ALL human souls were created dir...Father, I thought ALL human souls were created directly by God? Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you have written?ellennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-4644006499242636172012-12-08T02:30:19.721-08:002012-12-08T02:30:19.721-08:00About st. Paul. I think there is one verse where h...About st. Paul. I think there is one verse where he says that only Jesus was taken to heaven and that verse is used as "proof" against the dogma of Assumption of Mary. But in this verse also are exceptions also - for Henoch and Elias we know from Sacred Scripture. If those great men of God had this grace, how much more apt is that Mary is assumed to heaven.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-89997500145850822092012-12-08T01:49:01.825-08:002012-12-08T01:49:01.825-08:00There is a beautiful comparison that since touchin...There is a beautiful comparison that since touching the garments of Our Lord could have an healing effect (Mark 5:28) the woman who gave birth to Him must be exceedingly holy.<br /><br />-kirchlichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com