tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post635738100555995388..comments2024-03-25T17:14:03.066-07:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: Some facts about purgatoryFather Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-3469928610082151812013-07-28T02:04:56.753-07:002013-07-28T02:04:56.753-07:00Dear father,
At the time of final judgement, h...Dear father,<br /> At the time of final judgement, how do one get the human body back and what is the relevance of it? could you explain what is then vital body with five senses.? If reserruction is with human body, how long will it survive.?<br /><br />Ginu JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-30931432586792256022012-05-30T16:47:31.243-07:002012-05-30T16:47:31.243-07:00I have read this with great interest and thought a...I have read this with great interest and thought about it. One thing bothers me and that is that we should mortify ourselves. I have a concern about people hurting their bodies by cutting and lashing themselves. I do not understand this and it concerns me that someone may become seriously hurt. It is hard to believe that God who loves us would condone this.Travelling Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05119624602458980746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-30497948278756601242011-11-10T19:03:26.936-08:002011-11-10T19:03:26.936-08:00For a couple of years now, after hearing Susan Tas...For a couple of years now, after hearing Susan Tassone (sp?) speak about how the souls in purgatory need our prayers, I have created my own "litany" of the dead. In which I list the names of deceased family, ancestors, friends and aquaintances, asking for God's mercy on their souls and until reading this I assumed they could in turn pray for us and so petitioned the souls. Now I ask God to grant permission for them to pray for us. <br /><br />AnyaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-15172585591369131182011-11-08T20:34:07.230-08:002011-11-08T20:34:07.230-08:00Kuba,
Yes, a poor soul could ask for prayers ... a...Kuba,<br />Yes, a poor soul could ask for prayers ... and this may at first seem scary ... but this would not be a true "haunting".<br />Still, the soul can only attempt to get our attention if God gives a special grace/power to do so [i.e. it is not in the norm].<br /><br />Peace +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-84590453473353737822011-11-08T14:11:43.418-08:002011-11-08T14:11:43.418-08:00Father,
I have come across some (including clergy)...Father,<br />I have come across some (including clergy) who believe that souls in purgatory can sometimes "wander around" or "haunt" to get our attention so we would pray for them. could comment?Kubahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13318101874688443994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-26737549459036844682011-11-07T06:45:51.719-08:002011-11-07T06:45:51.719-08:00Dear Father. Thanks fro your prayers for me Dad. I...Dear Father. Thanks fro your prayers for me Dad. I will keep you in my prayersMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-81627434378858542552011-11-06T06:30:33.716-08:002011-11-06T06:30:33.716-08:00Josemaria,
Yes, they can help us, by the special p...Josemaria,<br />Yes, they can help us, by the special permission of God - but this is beyond the ordinary way.<br /><br />The souls in purgatory would not ordinarily have any (but perhaps the most general) knowledge of the things on earth ... further it is debatable whether they have even the power to pray (of themselves).<br /><br />St. Thomas says "no".<br />St. Robert Bellermine seems to say "no".<br />Suarez says "yes".<br />St. Alphonsus says, "No, ordinarily; but yes, by the special permission of God".Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-74431067407789307902011-11-06T02:02:48.284-08:002011-11-06T02:02:48.284-08:00I read In Fr Sulivan's Book that The Souls in ...I read In Fr Sulivan's Book that The Souls in Purgatory Help Us. Is He Wrong?Josemaria Paulo Jeromino Martin Carvalho-Von Versterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128928800453615354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-70972796792050139412011-11-05T14:02:17.616-07:002011-11-05T14:02:17.616-07:00@Anonymous Nov 5, 1:36pm;
Please use a pseudonym, ...@Anonymous Nov 5, 1:36pm;<br />Please use a pseudonym, then I will answer your question.<br /><br />From now on, I will not be posting any more purely anonymous comments, you must at least use a pseudonym posted at the end of your comment.<br /><br />[I've already asked twice, plus it is in the comment policy on the left of the screen, and it is in the comment box pop-up when you make a comment]Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-80558734918808690852011-11-05T13:36:44.031-07:002011-11-05T13:36:44.031-07:00Where does the church claim that Limbo is where un...Where does the church claim that Limbo is where unbaptized babies go?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-39779256955700836972011-11-05T09:38:45.273-07:002011-11-05T09:38:45.273-07:00Anonymous, Nov 5
Please use a pseudonym in the fut...Anonymous, Nov 5<br />Please use a pseudonym in the future.<br /><br />Right, they are still "children", but they are not "young children" ... i.e. they have attained to the use of reason and therefore are capable of making significant moral choices. These can be in purgatory.<br /><br />Also, you are correct that some of the mystics hold that the poor souls can help us ... theologically we have to say that this is by the special permission of God and not by their natural power or in the ordinary way of things (at least that is the consensus of the saints, especially St. Alphonsus).<br /><br />I'm very happy to hear that you are getting good preaching over there in Massachusetts! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-50961640889562951882011-11-05T09:35:03.818-07:002011-11-05T09:35:03.818-07:00Cunjo,
Your points look good to me.
Leo,
Their s...Cunjo,<br />Your points look good to me.<br /><br />Leo, <br />Their souls would not be burned by the flames, but would suffer by being bound to them ... see my earlier article (which is linked above) for further clarification of this point.<br /><br />Peace! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-10205108419513956232011-11-05T08:00:09.258-07:002011-11-05T08:00:09.258-07:00Father you seem to imply that once a child reaches...Father you seem to imply that once a child reaches the age of reason, they are no longer children; I really don't believe that this is the point that you are trying to make, are you? In other words: just when does a child quit being a child? From what I have been reading about purgatory from the "mystics", they believe that the poor souls can help us, but they cannot help themselves. Thank you for this article & thankfully here in Fitchburg, Mass. we do have priests that tell us about purgatory. +JMJ+Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-71138353075270263362011-11-05T07:49:33.554-07:002011-11-05T07:49:33.554-07:00Father, have they ever said what exactly the mater...Father, have they ever said what exactly the material flame burns since our material bodies are in the grave. Perhaps it could be our material souls and their material sins?Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14242359520190943576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-15202766215486180142011-11-05T03:08:14.896-07:002011-11-05T03:08:14.896-07:00If I understood correctly, (venial) sin has a twof...If I understood correctly, (venial) sin has a twofold effect and twofold consequence in relation to Purgatory and our salvation.<br />1)Effect - Offends God<br /><br /> Consequence - An atonement is needed(attained ultimately in Purgatory)<br /><br />2)Effect - Detaches us from God and corrupts our soul(making it more inclined towards some particular sin), decreases in it holiness it possesses. <br /><br />Consequence - Since nothing impure, corrupt and imperfect can enter into Heaven, the soul must undergo purification from attachment to any sin and thus a purification of particular level of it's own holiness(meaning that the soul does not grow in holiness in the Purgatory but purifies the holiness it attained in her earthly life because the time for increasing holiness is our earthly life - from this the concept of different levels of glory in Heaven could proceed). Altogether we could call the Consequence(no2) "Perfection of the soul".<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Those are my thoughts, fr. Ryan. Are they in any way incorrect?<br />God Bless.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-16710740544990650932011-11-04T18:27:19.435-07:002011-11-04T18:27:19.435-07:00The Portuguese have, or at least used to have, a g...The Portuguese have, or at least used to have, a great devotion to the Holy Souls in Purgatory. All over the countryside you can still find small shrines dedicated to them, with references to the prayers to be said for them. <br />I occasionally see candles in some of these shrines, though I can't vouch for the orthodoxy of their use any more.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-71073512718474489102011-11-04T08:24:43.451-07:002011-11-04T08:24:43.451-07:00Veronica,
It seems to me that the saints in heaven...Veronica,<br />It seems to me that the saints in heaven can indeed assist the poor souls by their prayers.<br />However, we have an advantage in one respect (and an important role to play) -- the saints in heaven can no longer merit, nor can they gain indulgences ... thus, to merit and to gain indulgences for the souls in purgatory is our duty!<br /><br />Peace to you, and thanks for the great question! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-78423085502993622282011-11-04T08:22:21.873-07:002011-11-04T08:22:21.873-07:00Kuba,
The souls in hell will not be released, but ...Kuba,<br />The souls in hell will not be released, but they will most certainly receive their bodies back ... this will greatly increase their torments. <br />They will be utterly confounded by the final judgment.<br /><br />Peace. +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-21740676153029439292011-11-04T03:49:51.926-07:002011-11-04T03:49:51.926-07:00A quick question regarding the Final Judgement.
...A quick question regarding the Final Judgement. <br /><br />Will those already in Hell be released from it to be reunited with their risen bodies and take part in the Judgement Day?Kubahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13318101874688443994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-29437043897530735292011-11-03T09:44:50.611-07:002011-11-03T09:44:50.611-07:00We never hear a peep in our parish about purgatory...We never hear a peep in our parish about purgatory. One time our priest mentioned it, but never again. I am certain that some of the more, shall we say, "ardent" parishioners got offended at the mere suggestion that any one of their deceased relatives was less than a saint!<br /><br />Here's my purgatory question: For a while now, I have been asking my friends in heaven to pray me out of purgatory ASAP, since I doubt that I will have anyone here to pray for the repose of my poor soul. Are the saints in heaven able to help the souls in purgatory by their prayers? If not, I will have to work all the harder to avoid the place. <br /><br />VeronicaVeronicanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-79648094204896825152011-11-03T09:01:48.058-07:002011-11-03T09:01:48.058-07:00I so appreciate the clarity of this article. As a ...I so appreciate the clarity of this article. As a protestant (who looks more and more to the Church with longing eyes) it is helpful to have things spelled out. I would prefer that Purgatory not be part of the equation, but since it is, I need help in understanding it. <br /><br />I wrote down something you said in the comment box- "The particular judgement immediately after death reveals how your actions affected your own salvation. The Final judgement reveals how your actions affected the salvation of others." I put it on my bulletin board above my desk. I would do well to think about that every day from now on........I'd never heard it put that way-- and it humbles me no end. <br /><br />Please keep writing, and again, I thank you for your clarity.H. Hobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14318262919399279016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-2525285026103643552011-11-03T08:05:19.844-07:002011-11-03T08:05:19.844-07:00Denise,
Indeed, we can scarcely imagine the power...Denise,<br /><br />Indeed, we can scarcely imagine the power of the prayers of a child!<br />Thanks for sharing! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-5418933775733708562011-11-03T05:47:26.961-07:002011-11-03T05:47:26.961-07:00My 9 year old son did this all 8 days last year an...My 9 year old son did this all 8 days last year and was serving at a funeral Mass and he saw a Holy Soul from Purgatory surrounded by flames in front of the altar and then a light rise up from there and ascend. It was wonderful to know that God was so gracious as to take someone from such a deep cleansing in Purgatory.Denisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-20065983681525897312011-11-02T22:25:59.246-07:002011-11-02T22:25:59.246-07:00I can see Purgatory as a sort of Betrothal period....I can see Purgatory as a sort of Betrothal period.<br /><br />In this life the bridegroom is seeking the one who demonstrates the qualities He wishes his potential spouse to have; above all a clear intent toward faithfulness to the marriage covenant. When the bridegroom finds the one whom loves Him they become beloved to each other. <br /><br />Death brings forward a period of betrothal, where just as the Church asks of earthly men and women to refrain from each other lest the marriage bond begin in error and sin, the beloved of the Bridegroom must go through time greatly desiring Him. The wait is painful insomuch as the day is yet to arrive. It is likewise hopeful because of the promise of joy.<br /><br />Heaven, of course, is punctuated by the eternal Wedding Banquet.<br /><br />What a good thought I just had!James Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03601404337397444540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-22682841001039265212011-11-02T14:52:15.459-07:002011-11-02T14:52:15.459-07:00@I am not Spartacus,
Indeed, it is so sad that few...@I am not Spartacus,<br />Indeed, it is so sad that few priests are preaching about purgatory these days ... not to mention the importance of indulgences!<br /><br />Well, we need to keep these priests in prayer, that they may return to faith and persevere in it! <br />(in this regard, I entrust myself to your prayers and the prayers of all readers as well)<br /><br />Peace to you, and prayers for your father (I will remember him on my evening visit to the cemetery). +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.com