tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post6797974734256238443..comments2024-03-25T17:14:03.066-07:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: How many times did Jesus cleanse the Temple?Father Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-23920762180389934992012-06-06T12:34:43.591-07:002012-06-06T12:34:43.591-07:00Hello Father,
I'm so glad to have found your p...Hello Father,<br />I'm so glad to have found your post, as in my research, I was just wondering the same thing (if it was one or two cleansings)! Could you please provide more info on the authorities you cite: Chrysostom, Augustine, and Cornelius a’ Lapide. I'd like to read those. Many thanks!Diananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-12983024816626850182012-05-27T23:38:45.582-07:002012-05-27T23:38:45.582-07:00Great post! I agree with all these points. When ...Great post! I agree with all these points. When one has faith the Gospels such as us we have no choice to ignore the details. The biggest unspoken elephant in the room seems to be that in each account of the Temple cleansing Jesus quotes from different Scriptures. If we were to believe that John's Gospel was the last written, which is the majority view, it is very hard to imagine that he has no knowlege of Matthew's, Mark's or Luke's Gospel accounts. It it difficult to think that John, who is praised for his deeply spiritual portrail of Jesus, somehow suffers from editorial fatigue. John, who obviously is a man who choses his words very carefully to recount his experiences with Jesus, seems less likely to make such an obvious supposed mistake.<br /><br />In my opinion it is such an attention grabber that John is trying to get the reader to understand an unspoken message. I have just started studying this and I expect to come into more truths as to these two Temple Cleansings.<br /><br />Peace be you. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-44057370551910013662012-03-16T07:48:27.449-07:002012-03-16T07:48:27.449-07:00Dear Mr. Bannon. Any Biblical exegesis that confli...Dear Mr. Bannon. Any Biblical exegesis that conflicts with Traditional Biblical Exegesis is not binding unless it is promulgated as such.<br /><br />I find virtually all modern exegesis dangerous and suspect and when one reads our Holy Father, in "Jesus of Nazareth," citing mainly Protestant exegetes and claiming, against all Tradition, that John did not write his Gospel, one knows he is living in interesting times - perhaps even in the throes of the great apostasyMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-20718619891925237112012-03-14T08:13:05.196-07:002012-03-14T08:13:05.196-07:00@Fr. S,
Good to "see" you online. :D
U...@Fr. S,<br /><br />Good to "see" you online. :D<br /><br />Usually, discussions with my pastor are quite civil and fruitful. We agree on many things and I'm happy to defer to him when I'm in need of correction.<br /><br />He does, alas, seem to have a blind spot when it comes to exegesis and Scriptural commentary. So, in such instances, I forward him a link and recommend posts like this for his consideration.<br /><br />My spiritual director has been most helpful in guiding me towards channeling some of the, ahem, energy of my choleric temperament into more fervent prayer rather than vigorous argumentation.<br /><br />We continue to pray for you...and we have another boy on the way, Deo gratias. <br /><br />Drop me a line if you have a few minutes, Father. I'd love to converse with you again through a more immediate and direct medium.Flambeauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133131881423202010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-4535165164894008822012-03-14T06:52:47.937-07:002012-03-14T06:52:47.937-07:00I am not etc.
I see the last two Popes as inf...I am not etc.<br /> I see the last two Popes as influenced by the same modern outlook. Read section 40 of Evangelium Vitae wherein John Paul II implies that the God commanded death penalties were really the outgrowth of an unrefined culture which is finally surpassed by the refinement of the Sermon on the Mount ( how did JPII forget Romans 13:4 which postdates the gospel). Read section 42 of Verbum Domini by Benedict: he subtly hints that expertise in historical context will show that the OT massacres were not from God as scripture says they are...e.g. Wisdom chapter 12. You can recurringly bump into this wide school in the Jerome Biblical Commentary and in footnotes. Very scarey frankly.bill bannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737277581167437670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-12400209471735055442012-03-13T12:51:52.961-07:002012-03-13T12:51:52.961-07:00"I warned of Brown in my post but John Paul I..."I warned of Brown in my post but John Paul II permitted him on the PBC during his tenure and under Ratzinger's at CDF"<br /><br />The sooner the influence of Fr Brown is forgotten the better. <br /><br />The PBC that Pope Blessed John Paul II placed him on had no authority - unlike the earlier PBC which would not have permitted him to deliver a Brown Bag Lunch to them to say nothing about letting him serve-up his destructive studies.<br /><br />You yourself accuse him of exegesis to please the Ivy League and one whose exegesis is delimited by a protestant political agenda is one whose service to Holy Mother Church is best forgotten forever.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-1397197790515207192012-03-13T07:57:47.476-07:002012-03-13T07:57:47.476-07:00@Flambeaux,
I can only imagine the things that yo...@Flambeaux,<br /><br />I can only imagine the things that you keep to yourself! Having known you for years and spoken with you often in person (think of a wedding you were at not long ago in the "heart of dixie") I can imagine that your parish priest prays for fortitude when the two of you converse!<br /><br />This is really a great reading for preaching about right worship and access to the worship of God as He wishes to be adored. It was an opportunity of which I was very appreciative! <br /><br />Kind Regards, <br />Father S.Father S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-20752899824639988492012-03-12T18:17:07.395-07:002012-03-12T18:17:07.395-07:00I warned of Brown in my post but John Paul II perm...I warned of Brown in my post but John Paul II permitted him on the PBC during his tenure and under Ratzinger's at CDF.<br /> He was awful on the Magnificat e.g. but someday read a late work..."Introduction to the New Testament" when he no longer needed to impress the Ivy League.<br />His memory is encyclopedic on Biblical detail....hence all the awards.<br /> Even Augustine in his " Harmony of the Gospels" had to loosen up on his own perfect strictures when he noticed that one gospel had John the Baptist saying he was not worthy to carry Christ's sandals and another gospel had John saying he was not worthy to loose the ties of Christ's sandals...concluding that very surface physical descrepancies are of little account.bill bannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737277581167437670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-17092417576887466472012-03-12T15:56:21.902-07:002012-03-12T15:56:21.902-07:00@bill bannon,
The innerancy of Scripture means tha...@bill bannon,<br />The innerancy of Scripture means that all that the human author intended to assert (even certain historical details) are true.<br /><br />Hence, we cannot say that the "redactor" was mistaken or confused and "got the order wrong".<br /><br />In any case, Fr Brown is highly suspect as a theologian ... a radical break from the way that Catholics have always read the Bible.<br /><br />If the final version of John says that there was a Passover before the Baptist was arrested and that, at this Passover, Jesus cleansed the Temple ... then that is the way it happened.<br /><br />This is the problem ... Fr. Brown bases his argument in his imagination ... but I have based my argument in the Scripture.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-50321656274235044002012-03-12T15:04:09.635-07:002012-03-12T15:04:09.635-07:00Fr. Raymond Brown,not an unalloyed blessing himsel...Fr. Raymond Brown,not an unalloyed blessing himself but... an expert in John, disagrees and notes that only John has the passages that brag about John as the beloved disciple, as middleman between Peter and the maid at Caiphas' house, as reaching the tomb prior to Peter. His thesis: John died before finishing the gospel and a redactor finished it but did not know the order of events and the redactor bragged about John with true facts because the breakaway church mentioned in I John disparaged John's authority. The redactor then put the cleansing in the wrong order....not a mistake which affects one's salvation.bill bannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737277581167437670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-48762985513481736782012-03-12T13:32:17.406-07:002012-03-12T13:32:17.406-07:00thank u Father for deeper insight into the scriptu...thank u Father for deeper insight into the scripture....God will keep blessing u to keep teaching us.Benjamin A. Emorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-49602202863296287212012-03-12T10:00:51.435-07:002012-03-12T10:00:51.435-07:00Alas, our pastor preached (predictably) that John ...Alas, our pastor preached (predictably) that John was just playing fast and loose with the chronology because he was more interested in "making a point about Social Justice".<br /><br />Thankfully, I had read an earlier post here, Father, wherein you referenced the two cleansings.<br /><br />May the Good Lord continue to deliver us from poor Scriptural exigesis by calling us to a closer reading of the Scriptures and the early commentaries.<br /><br />Thank you for your work, Father.Flambeauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133131881423202010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-65889721730893066902012-03-12T09:20:43.757-07:002012-03-12T09:20:43.757-07:00Thank you, Father. I learn so much each time I rea...Thank you, Father. I learn so much each time I read your postings. Keep it up. God bless. Hold fast. <br />Daniel 11:33 I'll keep you in my prayers.Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.com