tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post8270078133981579366..comments2024-03-25T17:14:03.066-07:00Comments on The New Theological Movement: Will I really go to hell for just one mortal sin?Father Ryan Erlenbushhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-4570730174296113692014-10-13T06:37:00.250-07:002014-10-13T06:37:00.250-07:00Thanks, Father; great post!Thanks, Father; great post!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07940745178193985942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-62278633256269612492014-10-04T11:44:38.850-07:002014-10-04T11:44:38.850-07:00"Also, God is not "equal parts justice a..."Also, God is not "equal parts justice and mercy" - that is ridiculous (rather, it would be terrifying) ... he is far more merciful than he is just."<br /><br />Since God is absolutely simple there is no more this and less of that in Him. What we see as distinct acts according to, or manifestations of this or that (attribute) is all the same in God since He is not a composite of attributes.<br /><br />St. Thomas argues the same from a different angle.<br />http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1021.htm#article4Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-13294465636777317502014-10-01T12:41:19.775-07:002014-10-01T12:41:19.775-07:00There are Catholics today who have never been tau...There are Catholics today who have never been taught the ten commandments, let alone the comandments of the church. There areothers who refuse to attend irrevernt Masses and have no alterntives without traveling great distances. Are you claiming that they are all guilty of Mortal sin? Or only those who know the commandments of the church and still refuse to go to Mass, when one is available. Is it not better to stay away, rather than take part in an<br />irrverent Mass? <br />I thought one of the conditions for a sin to be mortal is that one must know it is a sin. I'm not so sure that it is not better to stay away than participate in an irreverent Mass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-35601211798144649492014-09-29T17:46:52.555-07:002014-09-29T17:46:52.555-07:00Tony,
I really do say that God's love condemn...Tony,<br /><br />I really do say that God's love condemns the sinner to hell. Consider the words over the entrance to hell in the Inferno ("I am a creature of the Holiest Power, of Wisdom in the Highest and of Primal LOVE") ... or, for a theological treatment, see the words of Fr Lacordaire, quoted by Fr Garrigou-Lagrange in Life Everlasting:<br />"Let Lacordaire conclude: "Had justice alone created the abyss, there might be remedy. But it is love, the first love sempiternal, which made hell. This it is which banishes hope. Were I condemned by justice, I might flee to love. But if I am condemned by love, whither can I turn?<br />"Such is the fate of the damned. Love, that gave His blood for them -- this Love, this same Love, must now curse them.<br />"Just think! 'Tis God who came down to you, who took on your own nature, who spoke your language, healed your wounds, raised your dead to life. 'Tis God who died for you on a cross. And shall you still be permitted to blaspheme and mock, to enjoy to the full your voluptuousness? No. Deceive not yourselves: love is not a farce. It is God's love which punishes, God's crucified love. It is not justice that is without mercy it is love. Love is life or death. And if that love is God's love, then love is either eternal life or eternal death." <br /><br /><br />Or, if you prefer, the Catechism of the Catholic Church:<br />"1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell.""<br /><br /><br />As to skipping Mass (which is not missing for a serious reason, but skippin, ie a willful act without a good reason).<br />Attending Mass on Sundays and Holy Days is a precept of the Church. The precepts must be followed to avoid damnation.<br />See CCC 2041 -- " The obligatory character of these positive laws decreed by the pastoral authorities is meant to guarantee to the faithful the very necessary minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth in love of God and neighbor:"<br /><br />So, yes, if a Catholic willfully skips Mass on a Sunday, and does not repent of this act, I am quite certain that he will go to hell when he dies. If I freely choose to fail in the most basic obligation of a creature (which is to worship God how and when and where he wants to be worshiped), I have freely rejected his love and allowed my love for him to die. <br /><br />Hope that makes it a bit more clear! +Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-53057778298488382902014-09-29T17:29:32.419-07:002014-09-29T17:29:32.419-07:00From Tony
fr. Ryan I apologize for not previously ...From Tony<br />fr. Ryan I apologize for not previously not providing a name. I would appreciate a further reponse to your previous premise and my questions. Peace, TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-12117209997226791252014-09-29T17:16:58.938-07:002014-09-29T17:16:58.938-07:00Anon, 5:10pm,
When you take the time to use a pseu...Anon, 5:10pm,<br />When you take the time to use a pseudonym (as requested), I will take the time to answer.<br /><br />Btw, I never said "missing Mass regardless of what the circumstances may be", I wrote "skipped Mass" -- you must read carefully in order to have a discussion.<br /><br />Also, God is not "equal parts justice and mercy" - that is ridiculous (rather, it would be terrifying) ... he is far more merciful than he is just.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-76374260785154017382014-09-29T17:10:50.048-07:002014-09-29T17:10:50.048-07:00Fr Ryan, surely you are not saying that God's ...Fr Ryan, surely you are not saying that God's love condemns us to hell. In light of the death and resurrection of Jesus, I would say that it is our free will that allows us to choose for God, and love or reject God and his desire for communion and relationship would be that which either saves us or condemns us. With regard to Adam and Eve it is their choice that ejects them from paradise. My understanding is that God is both equal parts justice and mercy. You did not speak to the nature of Christ's mercy. You did not speak to compassion and forgiveness of a God who offers himself to us in the Eucharist on a daily basis.<br /> This notion of mortal sin must be taken as a total turning away from God and the love and goodness that he has planned for us. Is the sinful action taken with the full knowledge and intent of offending the Lord? Does the action sever the holy and loving relationship the person has with God and or his fellow man? I agree that a person could choose such a path, I find the statement that missing one Sunday liturgy regardless of what the circumstances may be as being equal to mortal sin a misrepresentation of what it means to keep holy the Sabbath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-1785176119052148832014-09-29T16:39:36.701-07:002014-09-29T16:39:36.701-07:00If only our dear priests would address this issue ...If only our dear priests would address this issue during sermons from time to time at Holy Mass. Sadly so many are unaware (deliberately or unconsciously) that they are sinning this way and die unrepentant. Fr Robert Barron also alluded to the hope that there is no one in Hell thereby giving the illusion that it may be empty.....Our Blessed Lord did not impress me as saying that in Scriptures.<br /><br />Gino RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-78727301003596813422014-09-29T15:46:49.069-07:002014-09-29T15:46:49.069-07:00Anon 10:50am,
Nobody in Scripture spoke about hell...Anon 10:50am,<br />Nobody in Scripture spoke about hell more often and with greater force than did our Savior. Over and over again he states that the angels will send some to hell. Furthermore, he tells us that the rich man who ignored poor Lazarus was condemned to hell. <br />God does love us, always. It is his love which condemns us to hell for all eternity. Love is real - Love is life or death. And if that love is eternal, then it means either eternal life or eternal death (cf. Fr Lacordaire)<br /><br />Hope means that, if I die in the state of grace I will go to heaven. <br />Your "hope" is nothing other than the lie of Satan who told Eve she would not die even though she should sin.Father Ryan Erlenbushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557817305024750902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-61647089191581012632014-09-29T15:28:19.426-07:002014-09-29T15:28:19.426-07:00That we should be judged based on the overall bala...That we should be judged based on the overall balance of our lifetime may seem just at first glance, but as we can see from the example of St. Dismas (although not perfectly analogous), God's plan to allow us to truly repent and ask for forgiveness and be saved ("remember me when You come into Thy Kingdom"), despite a previous lifetime of sin, is beautiful.<br /><br />MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-49548608623290960072014-09-29T10:50:26.662-07:002014-09-29T10:50:26.662-07:00I received Sanctifying grace through baptism. Meri...I received Sanctifying grace through baptism. Merit both earned and lost is such an infantile understanding of one's relationship to the Triune God. Surely the God who would humble himself to become human and die on the cross for me isn't keeping a score card with merits and demerits. Can I not trust and depend on a Father in heaven who has at least as much love and compassion for me and my human frailties as I would have for my own children? I guess God could withhold grace from and individual but is not the the nature of love to love? is not the nature of the One who is charity and compassion to be compassionate? And when speaking of Hope, can we not dare to hope that all might be saved through the death and resurrection of Jesus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5578980753063154388.post-23241645814213427102014-09-28T23:00:31.264-07:002014-09-28T23:00:31.264-07:00Thank you Father Ryan. I was seeking this consolat...Thank you Father Ryan. I was seeking this consolation. <br /><br />CarolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com